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Mary Rosenblum
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Welcome everyone to our
Professional Connection Interview.
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Our guest tonight is Alexis
Glynn Latner, SF writer and sail plane pilot. Most of her work appears in
'Analog Magazine', but she is also a very effective writing teacher and can
answer a lot of 'how to' questions, and her approach of looking at writing
the way you'd look at flying a plane is unusual to say the least.
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Hi, Alexis, welcome! Glad you
could make it!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Hello, everybody!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Alexis, I'm so pleased to have
you here. So let's begin with the basics.
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How did you get started
writing?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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When I was little I always had
stories going in my head.
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It may have been Star Trek that
made me move my stories into space
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with characters of my very
own!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Sounds like the way I got
started! :-) And why SF and not another genre?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Cool! - SF has science, and I was
always fascinated with that.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And you also teach writing, can
you tell us a bit about the course you teach?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I teach a class called Shaping
your Story,
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It's for beginners in fiction AND
creative nonfiction.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Sounds much like the Long Ridge
Course I teach! And now I want to get to the very interesting acronym you
gave me --
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INHYJHTDIR! Want to tell us
what it means? I gather it relates to flying?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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. o O ( It's Not Hard, )
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It's Not Hard, You Just Have
To Do It Right.
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That was said once by a woman
aerobatic glider pilot to a room of fellow pilots who all gasped a bit,
because we all think aerobatics is hard.
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But what she meant was that
there are only a few basic things to do right and the hard part is to
consistently do it the right way. I think writing is the same!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Aerobatics in a GLIDER? I think
I want to have my life insurance well paid up! But I agree with you...
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that the hard part of writing
is indeed to do it right consistently
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and to know what RIGHT is, when
you first start out! Stumped me for awhile. :-)
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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It takes training, persistence,
and a good craft!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Well, training and persistence
work for writing, too.
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Good craft could be
what...solid craft?
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Solid technique in other words?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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There is a body of knowledge about
how to write, and we should all learn it....
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especially the fundamentals.
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gskearney
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Hi, Alexis. Mary's told me a bit
about you. It's good to meet you even if it's only in cyberspace. My
question is how do you verify the science behind your stories?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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First, do some research.
Second, write the story. Third, run it by an expert.
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I make a point of having
physicist, engineer and biologist/medical friends who like to read SF.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That does, help! Any tips for
novice writers about how to go about
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finding an expert if they don't
know one personally?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Go to a good science fiction
convention with your business card. And mingle!
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ambrolia
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How easy is it to break into sci
fi writing ?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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It's not hard to write science
fiction, you just have to do it right, and you can learn what that is.
However....
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Getting published can be
terribly difficult.
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Mary Rosenblum
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But not impossible at all!
Persistence pays off! I know personally that editors do read stories they
reject.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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But if you find science
fiction being published that you like
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send your story or your book
to them.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I think that is very
important...read the magazines before you submit. Do you agree, Alexis?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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For two reasons. One, so you
don't submit to an unsuitable market.
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Two: if you don't like the
stories in a magazine, they probably won't like the ones you write
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and your story won't change
their minds about what they want to publish, either.
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coway
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Why so hard to get published
with science fiction?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Coway, I have some reason to
think that SF is not as popular now as it once was, though it may become
more popular again. Things go in cycles.
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Mary Rosenblum
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So there are fewer markets out
there?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Fewer markets, and far fewer
that want science fiction with hard science content, I think.
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babbles
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What qualifies as creative
nonfiction?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Nonfiction done with some of
the craft of fiction - dialogue, point of view, characterization, setting,
scenes, etc.
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pook
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Suppose the 'science' is just
your theory of how it works? Nobody knows yet.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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If it's your theory quite
apart from what science knows about the cosmos, I think you're doing
fantasy, a different genre.
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Mary Rosenblum
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There is a 'science fantasy'
that sort of straddles the space between 'elves and fairies' and
'spaceships'. :-)
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I like that and I'm trying
some.
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paja
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With science expanding so quickly,
how do you stay ahead of it in your writing?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Yipes, Paja, it's hard. One
way is to set your stuff in the far future. Near future SF is terrifically
demanding for that very reason.
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Mary Rosenblum
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No kidding! :-)
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pook
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There is a website for locating
experts. www.experts.com I think It is in LR course book 'Searching'.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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The internet is the best thing
since the invention of the pencil.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That actually looks like a good
research resource, I’ve looked at it.
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mbvoelker
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What, in your opinion, are the
fundamentals you need to do right?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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May I list the fundamentals as
I teach them in my course?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Please do!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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This is really bouilloncubing
the course, but here goes.
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1. Know what you think you're
doing - genre, length, who your ideal reader might be, etc.
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2. Have all the body parts of
you story - a hook, a beginning, a middle, an end.
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3. Pick the right protagonist
and don't foul up the point of view.
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4. Don't complicate it to much
- plot especially, also cast of characters, special effects, etc.
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5. Write well - and make the
writing carry the tale, not vice versa.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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6. Edit right - this doesn't
mean go over it the same way 5 times; there actually should be 3-6
different kinds of edit.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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7. Do what you like to read,
and send stories where you find stories you like.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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8. Write on! Don't rewrite
what you've already done endlessly, move ahead to a new story, new skills,
use the skills you've earned on a fresh canvas.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Questions?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Very solid fundamentals,
Alexis.
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gskearney
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I'd like to say that you did all
those things very well in your Analog story, Trinity Bay. How did you come up
with that idea?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Post office box in Schenectedy?
:-)
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I started with the title because
it would make a good title for an eco-disaster story, which I thought about
after the Trinity River had a massive flood in 1990
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then I combined the fact that
there should be no thermals over water with the idea that a nanodisaster
would create heat...
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And I realized a sailplane
could fly on the thermals!
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Then I sat down with an expert
physicist pilot friend, with a Houston sectional aviation map
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to plot the catastrophe. It
was fun.
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Mary Rosenblum
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For those of you who may not
have read one of Alexis's stories...she combines solid science with great
fiction.
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search
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I feel like my writing has lost
flair, what should I do?
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Any advice for a novice who has
lost inspiration?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Try something completely
different. OR:
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Go do something else in life
that thrills and enriches you. Who knows? You might come back to writing in
love with it again.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Perhaps find some other creative
outlet that fulfills you, Alexis, is that what you mean?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Yes. Flying did that for me!
But there is another way too: go read stuff that you really like, old
friend books and new friend books. That can be invigorating.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I have to say that books is
where I have found energy when I have lacked inspiration and energy.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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So true!
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paja
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What is the reverse of the
writing carrying the story?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Hah. It's when you load a ton
of beautiful, labored, polished prose on the back of a rather rickety
little story. Not recommended.
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mbvoelker
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What 3-6 kinds of editing? And
how do you know which types of editing the story needs?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Will the Moderator permit yet
another list?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Sure!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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'kay, here it is. ALL stories
need this process:
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1. When you've knocked out a
first draft, edit same, in the privacy of your study. Nobody has to see the
mess.
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2. When you've got a second
draft in one piece, show it to a trusted reader, listen to what they say,
and go fix the problems they found.
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3. Now you have to take a
systematic approach to weed out the ill to which all creative writing is heir.
I follow the process detailed by Ken Rand in the book called The Ten
Percent Solution
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to clean up wordiness,
vagueness and so forth and tighten everything.
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The Ten Percent Solution is actually
a SERIES of edits that use your word processor find feature!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ken Rand's Ten Percent Solution
is excellent and CHEAP...about six dollars...it's on the website listed in
the Surviving and Thriving Review section, with a link so you can purchase
it.
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I highly recommend it, and
often give it to writers at workshops!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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So that can be a few, or quite
a few, iterations right there.
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5. If an editor wants it, you'll
have some more editing to do very likely!
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I never said I could count but
you get the idea.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Actually, there IS a sixth
edit...when you do a book length work.
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Mary Rosenblum
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After the formal edit, you do a
copyedit run.
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babbles
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How long did it take before you
published your first story, and at what age?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Editing is quite a process.
But invaluable.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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When was I was first
published?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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After writing part of the time
for two decades and making a serious effort for a couple of year, in my
early thirties. It was Analog.
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Mary Rosenblum
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We're twins, Alexis, I went
through the same process at the same age, with Asimiov's! LOL
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No wonder we're friends! :-)
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Parallel, I like that.
Symmetry
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babbles
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Alexis, is your fascination of
science how you came to SF?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Well, I read Donald Wollheim Battle
on Mercury (a YA book) when I was 11 or so...
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and it was SO neat, with
humans and energy beings on Mercury and science of what was known about
Mercury at the time...
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and the rest is future
history. :-)
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pook
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I thought most of writing was
rewriting?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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They say write when you write,
and edit when you edit, Pook, and they're right.
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ambrolia
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Sometimes I feel intimidated by
editors. How did you deal with the heartache?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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It helps to have a storm blow big
branches all over the yard and you really really need to go after
them with an axe. Seriously, I talk to my friends about THEIR troubles in
the office, and we encourage each other.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I like the axe method myself. I
heat with wood, so it's useful! :-) It DOES sting, ambrolia!
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Friends DO help.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Is that anything like
ambrosia?
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Friends are the most important
things for writers to have.
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coway
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What is the copyedit run?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Mary, you take that one.
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Mary Rosenblum
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The copyeditor edits for
language and punctuation after the editor edits for content, coway.
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Some can teach you your own
tropes with language, others are AWFUL!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I have heard horror stories.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I can offer a couple...but I’ve
learned a lot from one or two.
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spider
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What do you personally do to get
past writer's block?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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There's more than one kind of writer's
block, spider. If it's the kind that one writer has called "novice
nerves", you just have to sit down and forge ahead.
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It will feel shaky and
uncertain for a while, it just will.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Novice nerves! That's a good
name for it!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Credit Elizabeth Moon
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Mary Rosenblum
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Well, we ALL suffered from 'em
as new writers! I sure did.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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And when you try a different
kind of writing too.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Yep!
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gskearney
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Question for you both. Do you
analyze stories and books you like to try to figure out what the writer did
to make the story so good? If so, how?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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You bet. First I read, then I
realize I'm having a darn good time, then I try to understand how the
writer made it so.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Me, too, exactly. I will really
analyze the craft...how does she get the character's feelings across, how
did she make me FEEL like this?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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And, how did she tell so much
story in so few words, so unerringly?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Exactly. I think a good book is
a mini writing course, along with a fun read!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Yes.
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ambrolia
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Who is your favorite female
scifi author?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I have learned the most and
enjoyed the most of Lois McMaster Bujold.
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She's been called the best
story teller in the field since Heinlein.
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Mary Rosenblum
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She does hard SF VERY well, and
writes fast, tightly paced stories with solid characters.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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And how. And I find her
fantasy interesting too.
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spider
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In your opinion, what makes
"good writing" work?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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You are not conscious of the
writing as writing.... it's like a window into another world, and you see
the events and smell the smells there.
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Mary Rosenblum
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In other words, you live the
story, yes?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Yes. This is not the same as
literary writing that is very conscious of the artistry of the writing.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Isn' t that, to a large degree,
a combination of strong 'show, don't tell', and deep characterization?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I think it also, invisibly,
avoids the fundamental mistakes.
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For me, nothing jars me out of
a good reading experience like a glaring mistake in story telling
(head-hopping point of view or whatnot.
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It can be a pretty good story
and I'll enjoy it, if it steers clear of flagrant errors.
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babbles
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But isn't it hard to tell when to
stop rewriting?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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You're onto an important idea,
babbles. It is hard. You stop rewriting when it's no longer being improved.
Put it down for a while if you can't make it markedly better.
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Come back to the story when your
skills have grown in doing new ones.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's good advice. When you
feel as if you are pounding your head against a brick wall
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go do another story and come
back to this one later. That wall may have fallen down by then.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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If you find yourself in a hole
stop digging!!
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Mary Rosenblum
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There you go! :-)
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My dog needs to learn that
one... LOL
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chatty lady
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With so many things in Science, now
being a reality, it must get harder and harder to come up with realistic
Science Fiction. Has that become a reality for the SF writer?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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It's hard to come up with
realistic SF that hasn't turned into reality or just been disproven behind
your back!
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Mary Rosenblum
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But all the new advances just
open up more windows of 'what if' and 'if this goes on' speculation!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Absolutely. Exciting times.
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pook
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Who is a good fantasy writer?
Not violent.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I don't know. You might have
to look in YA.
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g.j.
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Much of what Jules Verne wrote
about has come to pass. Was his writing considered science fiction or
fantasy at that time?
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pook
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Jules Verne was SF, right? like Fantastic
Voyage though isn't that fantasy?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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The way I look at it, Dante's
Divine Comedy was science fiction too, just like these. In his case,
Aristotelian metaphysics.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I have to say that I hadn't
really thought of Dante as SF, but I suppose you could call it that!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Sure, it was a systematic
exploration of the cosmos.
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Mary Rosenblum
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You're right. For it's time, it
WAS cutting edge...or a bit beyond.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Exactly!
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mitch
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Do you ever write without a
specific market in mind?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Often, if the idea moves me.
On the other hand, mitch, sometimes a specific market can focus one's
effort.
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pook
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How can an editor let head hopping
happen? Don't they help you fix that?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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In today's publishing world,
stuff has to almost be so competent that it doesn't need basic editing
before an editor will buy it.
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You can be your own best
editor, pook, and help other writers edit.
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pook
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So how did it get published?
with head hopping?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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True head-hopping is something
I see in unpublished work - it doesn't get published.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Well...Alexis, once in awhile, it
does. Not everything that's published is GOOD. I save some great examples
for workshops!
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But that's no excuse for
submitting poor quality work!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I've got a favorite bad SF
novel for class
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written by a scientist,
published hard cover and rife with fundamental errors in craft. Such as:
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9 synonyms for
"said" on page 71. Donald Clayton Joshua Factor.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ah, a new example for the
collection! heheh.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Ohyes
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coway
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Is it realistic to write of an
adjacent universe where the third planet from their sun produces people who
look like us except skin shade, but with much higher mental abilities
latent to us?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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If you're toward the fantastic
end of SF you can do almost anything.
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Mary Rosenblum
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There is a wide spread in SF
between the type of fiction Alexis writes where the science really works
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and the end of the spectrum
with alternate universes, and the like.
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I will venture to say that even
at the 'fantasy' end of the spectrum, you have to keep one toe in real
science, but that's all.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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And I may be migrating in that
direction. Fantastic, not alternate universes yet.
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pook
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I'm confused about SF vs. fantasy.
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g.j.
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I'm with Pook. Also confused
between sf and fantasy
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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As an amateur lit crit
specialist, I say science fiction is a subset of fantasy.
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It's all about what is not, or
is not yet, or never was....
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But science fiction has at
least science as an icon or a theme....
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Ale
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and assumes that science, not
magic, makes the cosmos run.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And I wouldn't worry about it too
much? The markets that publish 'hard' SF generally publish 'soft' or
'fantasy SF', too.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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"speculative
fiction" nicely covers it all.
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Mary Rosenblum
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If you read something from that
publisher, you'll know if your story fits. Yes, speculative fiction is a
good umbrella term.'
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chatty lady
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Off the subject I know BUT how
long should we save books like Writers Market, Best of Magazine Market,
Writers Handbook? They are dated and new ones appear yearly. Do you throw
the old ones away or save them?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Save the old ones for
research, check a copy in the public library to verify your research, if
you'll investigating markets you don't submit to every day.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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For markets of great importance
get a newsletter like Gila Queen or Speculations.
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pook
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Did you ever pay an editor to
review your work?
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pook
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You may not know your writing is
bad.
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Mary Rosenblum
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How does a novice writer know,
Alexis?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I haven't paid anyone for
editing, pook, but I've been paid. SHow your story to someone who likes the
genre you're writing in, and see how they react.
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And for the acid test get into
a constructive writer's group in person or on line.
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Or a workshop at a convention.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And this website is a good
place to do that. Come to the casual chats, talk with people and start
groups.
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Several have been born here
lately.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Exactly!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Gary had a good comment on the 'sf' labels.
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gskearney
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It's a marketing classification,
and doesn't really make much sense. All fiction is not, etc. but SF tries
not to violate accepted present day scientific knowledge.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Except then the commonly
accepted rules of our little game say it's OK, like FTL star drives when
you're doing space opera.
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coway
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I'm a novice writer and have so
much to learn until it is scary. Did you ever feel that way?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Expletive yes, and still do at
3 AM.
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Mary Rosenblum
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No kidding. I'm chuckling!
Coway, welcome to the mental life of the writer!
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babbles
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I lost my agent, have publishing
problems. How do I move on from here?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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It depends on the problems.
Many have started up a new pseudonym. Some move to a different genre, or go
to nonfiction in regional magazines or newspapers where it's easier to be
published and confidence can build back up.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's good advice! Alexis,
tell us a bit about what you have coming up
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will you please? Don't you have
a story coming out soon in Analog?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I have a short story coming
out in Analog. It's about orbital debris. I know somebody as Johnson Space Center whose job is
orbital debris, and I used a lot of specific details from him. It's an
orbital debris mystery. Something seems to be.... eating orbital debris.
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And I've got some magazine
articles coming along.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, cool! I can't wait to read
that one, especially since I'm playing with orbital debris right now. Which
issue will it be in?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Doing both nonfiction and
fiction has worked for me. Don't know the issue of Analog - haven't gotten
the galleys yet!
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pook
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Who cares if they eat it..if
it's debris?
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Mary Rosenblum
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I'm laughing. Free garbage
service?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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So, how do we know something
eating orbital debris won't snack on something of a non-debris nature? When
this expensive commsat is suddenly missing.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Yes, our hungry orbital
scavenger might not realize those spendy satellites aren't Doritos!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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The people on the
International Space Station get worried too.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Nothing like being the next midnight snack!
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I'll watch for that one!
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I do have one more question
here about publishing...
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pook
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How do you get published in a
newspaper? Writer's Market doesn't say anything about it.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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If you live in a small town
drop into the office and ask if they need writers. In a big town, contact
one of the little weeklies. ALSO...
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Let your friends know you're a
writer and let your writer's group know you're interested in newspaper or magazine
writing. Networking works just fine.
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Mary Rosenblum
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A recent guest of mine got a
weekly column by writing to the letter of the Portand paper's "Living'
Section...
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and pointing out that he had no
pet column and people spend lots of money on pet food
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so he could get ads. She got
the column.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Smart move on her part!
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Mary Rosenblum
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That is a big paper, but her
query was quite solid. He had a marketing hole and she pointed it out.
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What does your paper need?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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It's always good to look
around and see what needs to happen.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Alexis, do you want to give us
a preview of the spingravity novel you're working on?
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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In anybody here has read
Arthur C. Clark's Rendezvous with Rama,
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Well, Clark got some of the
physics wrong! And his Rama was a robot world. I've got this huge spinning
star station that's chock full of old civilization, plus, it's a place of
asylum for many kinds of human and nonhuman oddity and it's in a VERY
eventful part of the galaxy, and.... romance and adventure happen.
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Mary Rosenblum
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No kidding. I got to read a
chunk, and I know I can't wait for the whole thing.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Mary Rosenblum
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I think what I like best about
your fiction, Alexis, is that you give me real, thoughtful science and
people I can care about!
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babbles
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Sounds fascinating, Alexis
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I've got to go, thanks for
answering my "?'s" Alexis
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Thank you. Those are what I
like. You're welcome.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Now you just have to finish it!
:-) You already have buyers waiting, heheh.
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gskearney
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I'll second that. Make sure you
let us know when it comes out.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Don't worry, Gary. I will.
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gskearney
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Thanks for wonderful session.
--gk
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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I have got novice nerves. But.
I'll forge ahead.
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My pleasure, Gary.
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Mary Rosenblum
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You're doing just FINE, trust me!
:-) Alexis this has been great!
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Thank you so much for coming
tonight!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Thanks for your hospitality!
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Mary Rosenblum
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You've been a great guest, and
your 'how to' advice is excellent.
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Thank you for taking this time,
and I hope you'll come back again!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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The more good writers there
are in this world the better.
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pook
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Thank you both for a good forum.
I will try reading some sf too.
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g.j.
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It kept me awake. You know it
was a GOOD ONE.
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Good luck to you all.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I'm laughing, gj!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Thanks, Alexis, and good night!
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Alexis Glynn Latner
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Over and out.
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