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Mary Rosenblum
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Hello, all!
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Welcome to our Professional
Connection interview...the first of 2005!
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Tonight, we're going to visit
with Pamela Thibodeaux.
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Pamela S. Thibodeaux is the
co-founder and a member of the Bayou Writers Group in Lake Charles, Louisiana and ACRW
(American Christian Romance Writers). Multi-published in fiction and
creative non-fiction, her writing has been tagged as "Inspirational
with an Edge!" and reviewed as "steamier and grittier than the
typical Christian novel without decreasing the message." Visit her
website at: http://www.pamelathibodeaux.com
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Pamela, welcome! We're so glad
to see you here!
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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It's so nice to be here! Thank
You for inviting me!!
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bud
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Hi Mary and welcome Pamela.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Pamela, I'm looking forward to
hearing about your writing experience
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and we have quite a full house
tonight, too. Want to tell us a bit about what you write, both the fiction
and creative nonfiction?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well, I write Inspirational
fiction and creative non fiction
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Mary Rosenblum
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I know that a lot of new
writers are unsure of what 'creative nonfiction' actually is. Want to
describe it for us?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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creative non fiction is where
you take a boring subject (such as a job description)
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and make it an exciting career
option!
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wyrde
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What, exactly, is creative
non-fiction, sounds like playing loose with the facts?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Or is it just making the facts
SOUND better?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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it's just making the facts
interesting
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ah...so you're really dealing with
career issues? And just writing in an exciting way?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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I wrote 2 for Vocational
Biographies in which I took a basic job description and an interview
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and made it appealing to young
people to pursue that type of career.
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One was on a Medical Transcriptionist
and the other a Lady Sheriff.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I see...so here it's a matter
of using strong technique to make a topic interesting.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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yes, that's it
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wyrde
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I'm not criticizing, but it does
sound like saying "terminate with prejudice" as opposed to
outright saying "murder", isn't there an element of being
misleading involved?
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Mary Rosenblum
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What do you think, Pamela?
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Or are you just making it more
accessible?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Hi wyrde, not in the writing I
did...I just took a boring job and made it interesting...more accessible
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writeaway
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Like "Be all you can
be?"
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes writeaway, exactly like
that!
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Mary Rosenblum
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And your fiction is
inspirational...Christian Romance...right?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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yes, it is Inspirational
though some would deem it Women's fiction
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in lieu of romance.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Is that because the romantic
element isn't the central plot element?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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In a manner of speaking,
yes...the romance may be one central plot element
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but there are other
issues...like domestic violence, or something of that nature.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ah, I see. So just how did you
actually get started writing? Which came first...nonfiction or fiction?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well, I actually got started
over 20 years ago, writing in 5 subject notebooks!
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Fiction came first.
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I've always been an avid
reader and after reading one-too-many insipid little romances and I
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thought I could do it
better...arrogantly so LOL!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Isn't that what we ALL think???
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Probably, LOL.
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Before we find out that it's
not really that simple :-)
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Mary Rosenblum
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No kidding!
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tory
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What "propelled" you
into writing, Pamela? And what prompts your genre choices?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Is it what you like to read?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Hi Tory! I was propelled into
writing by thinking I could do it better.
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My genre chose me.
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I started out wanting to write
romances...then after re-committing my life to Christ
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I committed my writing to Him
also...and thus the Inspirational genre.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ah, I see.
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wyrde
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Is there good money in creative
nonfiction? How do you break in?
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Mary Rosenblum
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How did you get started in
that?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Hi wyrde! Vocational
Biographies pays around per interview.
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They are fairly easy to break
into.
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Other types of creative
non-fiction are the stories you see in publications such as Chicken Soup.
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paja
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Hi, Pamela. I got the impression
from some of the kudos that you allow more physical attraction than normal
bland Christian romance. True?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Hi paja! Yes, that's true
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bud
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How deep into the romance part
do you go?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well, bud...depends on what
you mean by how deep.
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If you mean do my characters
have sex...the answer is no.
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If you mean do I have steamy,
sensual scenes..the answer is yes.
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sande
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On the Steeple Hill website it
says no violence is acceptable. How did you get past that?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Hi Sande.
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I do address domestic violence
in Tempered Dreams...I don't just "hint" at it either,
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which is one reason my books
aren't accepted by CBA publishers.
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I just wrote the story God put
on my heart...it's not pretty...but it IS a beautiful example of the
healing power of Grace and Forgiveness!
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Mary Rosenblum
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CBA is Christian Booksellers
Association?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Has this caused you problems
marketing your book...the fact that CBA is not happy with it?
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It sounds as if your squarely
addressed a real problem, to me.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well Mary, if you mean by
marketing - selling- yes...which is why I don't have a CBA publisher.
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I did address the problem head
on.
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I tried and tried to tone it
down to 'fit' the genre and it's guidelines, it just didn't work for me.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Good for you for sticking to
the story you wanted to write.
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I applaud that always.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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thank you.
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It's not always easy
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but God has a plan and all
things work together for His glory and my good!
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Mary Rosenblum
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And that is the kind of belief
in your work and what you want to do with it.
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That is really really critical
to all writers.
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paja
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Pamela. I'm so proud of you.
I've stopped reading Christian fiction for women. It left me empty. Thanks
for being yourself and believing in your work.
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sande
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I think there is a huge need for
realistic Christian Fiction
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes, it is imperative that you
believe in yourself and your work...if you don't NO ONE else will!
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Mary Rosenblum
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And clearly you have a
readership for realistic Christian fiction, judging by the quick response
here. :-)
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Thanks sande and paja! I too,
believe there is not only a market but a great need for such work
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sande
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Doesn't Steeple Hill work with
CBA guidelines?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Steeple Hill is a Christian
publisher, I assume. I'm not personally familiar with it.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes, though Harelequin is a
'secular' publisher as are other houses like Warner Faith, etc....
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Steeple Hill is the
Inspirational line for Harlequin.
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Anyway, even though they are ABA or secular
houses, they too adhere to the strict CBA guidelines
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ah, thank you for clarifying,
Pamela!
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geezer
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What are CBA guidelines?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Are they available at a CBA
website?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Hi geezer! Welcome! CBA
guidelines are available at most CBA sites...or just visit Steeple Hill's
site
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They are very
conservative...like the heroine can NEVER appear outside her bedroom in a
nightgown.
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Well, I blew that one in
chapter 3 of Tempered Hearts LOL!
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Mary Rosenblum
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No kidding conservative. and
rather unrealistic right there. :-)
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tory
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Pamela, do you think the violent
scenes were too graphic for CBA?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well tory, I only had one
violent scene in Tempered Dreams
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mainly cause I wanted to show
how awful the heroine's life had been...kinda explain the real reason she's
seeking a divorce --
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another taboo in CBA.
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Anyway, after that one scene,
it's all about the healing process...though the pain and fear doesn't go
away easily
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even after the divorce papers
are signed.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Sounds realistic and
inspirational to me! :-)
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sande
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So how did you get past it? The
guidelines I mean.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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I got past it by writing the
story of my (and God's) heart and submitting to publishers that are NOT
CBA.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Can you recommend publishers
whose guidelines are a bit more realistic, Pamela?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well, it's still difficult...most
ABA houses
limit the references to God.
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With that in mind though,
small presses are the most open to this kind of writing
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and new publishers like Com
Star Media who have contracted my entire Tempered series.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ah...and that answers Bud's
question who wanted to know who published your books. Is this an e-book or
paper?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Com Star is a traditional
print publisher
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though they were first E
published by Writers Exchange.
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The first two that is
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tory
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I am totally unfamiliar with
e-publishing (very concrete. Like the feel of the pages in my hand!). What
would you say are the "pros" and "cons"? And is it
something "newbies" should consider, or wait 'til we're more
experienced in the field?
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Mary Rosenblum
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What was your experience like,
Pamela?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well, tory, I am a firm
believer that we all have to start somewhere!
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I loved my experience...
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Writers Exchange has a
wonderful reputation for QUALITY books and Sandie Cummins is a real
blessing to work with.
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For pros and cons
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some pro's...higher royalties
(around 50% retail)..there are POD (print on demand) options if you want
printed copies.
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Cons...it is virtually
IMPOSSIBLE to get POD titles stocked in the bookstores
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which was a MAJOR factor in my
deciding to NOT continue that route.
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When I first signed with WEE,
they were new also and didn't have POD options.
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I paid to have the printed
copies produced...then was all the work involved in promoting, selling
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the bookkeeping/tax end, etc.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Not worth it?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Oh I wouldn't say that!
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I loved every minute!
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But it is getting more and
more difficult to get self/POD books stocked in the stores.
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That is the main issue for
me...HOWEVER
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I would recommend that someone
with a story to tell that just doesn't FIT anywhere else to go for it!
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E publishing is getting bigger
and better every day
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but be careful.
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There are more fly-by-night
Epublishers than you would imagine.
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Do your research...choose
carefully...but yeah, it’s a great opportunity for new/unpublished
writers to get their feet wet.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I've had a couple of e
published authors lately who offered a lot of positive information about it
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and there is information on
websites that list scam publishers.
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It's on the website in Market
Updates (writing craft).
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Predators and Editors is an
excellent site for that.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well, like I said, we all have
to start somewhere..I started in Epublishing and look how far I've come in
just 4 short years!
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sailor
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I read about your bad experience
with a publisher. Do you plan on concentrating on e-pub or traditional
publishing in the future?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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The bad experience was
tough...tied me up for 18 months with no results.
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Not really anyone's fault...too
many factors played into the company not getting off the ground
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however, I have since signed
with Com Star and will STAY with them if all works out according to plan.
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I plan on staying with traditional
print as much as possible for my novels.
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Short stories, and essays, and
articles will continue to be pitched to any place that'll accept them.
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On that note...I have 2 short
stories that have been accepted for publication in
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A Hint of Seduction Ezine http://www.ahintofseduction.com
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Choices in Feb and Cathy's Angel in Sept.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Wow, congratulations, Pamela!
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joanfilly
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Pamela, are there Christian
publishers for novella and short stories?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes, joanfilly.
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There are...Barbour takes
novellas and short novels (55K) for their Heartsong Presents line.
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As for E/POD publishing...Mountainview
Publishing -the Inspirational line for Treble Heart Books
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sande
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Heartsong is even stricter than
Steeple Hill aren't they?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Are you familiar with them,
Pamela?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes, I'm familiar with
them...and they are strict
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but they have a bookclub and
everything...books in Walmart, etc.
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It’s a great place to be
if you can get in...I've got a ms that needs a bit of polishing to send
in...so we'll see!
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sande
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Wow. How did you find all these
venues?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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May I say something before I
answer sande?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Of course, Pamela!
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Thanks!!.....
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Before we go further, PLEASE
let me tell you that I feel ANYTHING and EVERYTHING that gives God glory
deserves to be praised.
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I love LI, HP and SH...It’s
just not what I write.
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And I don't want anyone to
walk away with the impression that I think my writing is better.
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It’s not better...just
different.
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Now on to sande's question...
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I found all these venus by
joining writers groups and research, research research!
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tory
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I had looked for books dealing
with similar issues (domestic violence, rape, divorce, healing...) and
couldn't find them in the Christian bookstores--so I wrote one! Now I know
why I couldn't find them. Thanks for explaining those guidelines--and
writing what God gave you. I just learned of your writing last week and am
looking forward to reading your books.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Thanks tory!
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You won't find mine in a
Christian bookstore either!
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Mary Rosenblum
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A lot of people are asking
where to find your books. Want to tell us when and where they'll be out?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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In fact...when they were epublished
and I was distributing them myself
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the Christian bookstores in my
area asked me to take them OFF the shelves...LOL!
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Right now Amazon has 4 copies
of my titles left.
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1 Tempered Hearts and 3
Tempered Dreams.
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TD is the one that deals with
domestic violence.
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The new releases of these two
by Com Star should be out sometime this summer
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followed by Tempered Fire in
the fall/early winter and after Tempered Joy and Tempered Truth (if I ever
get it written) LOL
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Mary Rosenblum
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Of course, this means that the
set you're giving away to a lucky attendee is likely to be a collector’s
item one day. :-) A rare edition.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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From your mouth to God's
ears!!!
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juliea
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That's what attracted me to your
books- real life issues
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Thanks juliea!
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They can be difficult to write
though
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ashton
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That is something in
itself...writing that doesn't "fit" anywhere in particular. I
feel the need to write Inspirational Christian romance but with a sci-fi
twist. Where would I even begin in getting something like this out there?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Oh, great question ashton!
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Riveroak is looking for
something like that!
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They are the fiction division
of Cook Communications.
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Good luck!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ditto that, ashton!
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jeannie
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How many publishers did you try
before Com Star Media?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Well, jeannie, after my
previous contract became null & void
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I started researching
again...seriously considered going back to WEE at the VERY gracious offer
of Sandie
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but it just didn't feel
right...I don't think I tried more than a couple before ComStar just
because
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I knew I was spinning my
wheels and wasting precious time (theirs and mine).
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Especially for this series.
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I have been submitting other
works to other houses, but no luck yet.
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But, as I told the editors at
Com Star...I'm looking for a home,
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someone who will give honest
consideration to everything I have written.
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Only time will tell if I've
found it, but my gut instinct says yes!
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Mary Rosenblum
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I hope so! Do keep us posted!
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alexander
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Does Com Star have a website?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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yes... http://www.comstar-media.com
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They are actively seeking
submissions for a sci fi anthology too!
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Just remembered that ashton!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, how cool. :-)
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marty
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I'd like to know the name of the
sheriff story.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Marty has been patiently
waiting for me to post this!
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Hello Marty, the sheriff story
was for Vocational Biographies and done on Louisiana's first ELECTED woman sheriff Beth Lundy!
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It was published in 2003
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Mary Rosenblum
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Who publishes those vocational
biographies?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Vocational Biographies...lol...really
that's their name!
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roe
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Do they have a website and
guidelines?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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I'm looking for it now, roe
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all I can find is Vocational
Biographies Inc, Sauk Centre, MN 56378 800-255-0752
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speckledorf
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www.vocbio.com
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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I don't know of a website and
don't have the contact info anymore of who I wrote for...sorry.
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This is a publication that is
sent to middle and high schools across the US
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's it, Pamela.
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I just checked it and the
address is the same. :-)
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They do have guidelines on the
site.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Oh, good!
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They are fun and relatively
easy to write...good publishing credits for anyone. And of course the money
is great too...but since I work 2 part time jobs it's difficult to do the
interviews necessary.
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Mary Rosenblum
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It actually looks like an excellent
potential market.
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ashton
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Thanks so much for your help,
Pamela! You're a gem and a real inspiration. The world needs Inspirational
Christian fiction like yours. I know I speak for many when I say I go for
realistic fiction and not the tame stories out there now. You can't reach
people that way. I want to touch the hearts of my readers, like you do.
Keep up the good work! We are all proud of your efforts.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Thank you ashton!!!
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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It is my goal to reach those
outside the traditional church, those who normally wouldn't pick up an
"inspirational" book.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I think Ashton speaks for many
readers, Pamela. Good for you for doing what matters to YOU.
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wolf122
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Pamela, do you use a lot of
specific Christian icons/elements in your writing (i.e. churches, masses,
speaking of Christ, etc.), or is your writing merely have the principles of
Christianity within the story to meet the genre requirements? Which is
better for your stories and the market?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Oh, good question wolf122!
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I strive to have my characters
portray a realistic, personal relationship with God/Jesus
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though they don't always do it
in church
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or with structured, formal
religion.
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Though in TD, the heroine is
Catholic (another taboo..naming a specific denomination).
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Pam
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For me it is better to have
that personal relationship!
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writeaway
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Do you get much resistance from
religious leaders?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Have you ever gotten feedback
from a religious leader, Pamela?
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I'm curious.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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No, I haven't.
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I haven't gotten any feedback
from religious leaders...not sure if any have read my books. but I have
gotten lots of feedback by Christians peroid.
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mbvoelker
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This is fascinating. I have
tended to avoid "Christian Fiction" and being identified as a
"Christian Writer" rather than as a writer who is a Christian
because I see my target audience as more mainstream. I had no idea there
was so much behind the scenes.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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There is a LOT behind the
scenes, mbvoelker.
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I normally don't consider
myself a writer of Christian fiction...I write Inspirational fiction...to
me there's a difference.
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Christian fiction is written
for a particular market...the CBA market/readership.
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I write for those out there
that are dissatisfied with that as well as dissatisfied with the normal
secular romances too,
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those that like the idea of
God/Christ in the books, but want more realistic characters, situations,
etc.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I apologize for cutting you off
in the middle of an answer...what kind of feedback have you gotten from
Christians? I'm assuming positive, judging by the response here.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes, most of it is positive.
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juliea
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I was also wondering if there
was any backlash from the Christian community.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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You can't please
everyone...like the Christian Book store owner/managers LOL!
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Well, if there is any (other
than being asked to take the books off the shelves) it hasn't come to me
yet.
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Well, a couple of people said
the books were too "racy" for them...but that they enjoyed them
anyway.
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I even had one reviewer
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say that they would RECOMMEND
Tempered Hearts to teens on the verge of becoming young adults.
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Now that was a great feeling!
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Mary Rosenblum
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No kidding! Good for you! And
it's a mistake to try and please everyone.
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You’ll simply gut your
fiction that way.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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And many of my readers ARE
teens...or were when the books were available. :-)
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That’s true, Mary...
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As I said, I tried and tried
to tone it down and make it fit...it just didn't feel right for me,
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was uncomfortable..felt like I
was betraying what God asked of me.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I think you are an inspiration
for those writers who feel that their work doesn't fit the 'established
markets' and wonder if they should persevere. Your answer is a resounding
yes! Good for you.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Don’t EVER give up your
gift! It is given by God...use it!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Amen! :-)
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Now..
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That’s no excuse for
sloppy or inaccurate portrayals of true Christian lifestyle either.
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The key is a unique BALANCE
between the sensual and the spiritual.
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Sensuality is a gift from God,
it is normal
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but it is also a PRIVATE
matter between a husband and a wife and your characters should respect
that.
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They may get carried away -to
a certain point- and tempted...but in the end, they should respect that.
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IMHO :-)
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writeaway
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It seems we have no trouble
believing Christians can love and have families, but most Christian
romances seem to think passion has no place in that scheme.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes, that's sadly true writeaway.
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The CBA wants "chaste
relationships...the emotional side of love without the physical"
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For me..that's impossible...
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You can't have one without the
other.
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I mean...those with the emotional
side and no sparks do not end up happy ever after.
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Most of them don't even get
married.
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Think about your very best
friend of the opposite sex.
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See?
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paja
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On "sexy"--How do your
keep your standing with all of what I assume are "don't touch"
requirements?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Can you imply sensuality?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Yes, you can imply
sensuality....and some do it very well!
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I just guess I'm too physical
of a person.
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Must be the Tauras in me (taurus?)
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Whatever. :-)
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Mary Rosenblum
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Well, I’m a cancer, so it
HAS to have romance in it. :-)
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writeaway
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I love the old movies and
earlier romance novels that showed us the romance and did the fadeout. The
new ones make me feel like a peeking-tom!
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Mary Rosenblum
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There you go.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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amen
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Some are soo graphic!
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But some are very tastefully
done too.
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I love 'em all! Well,
except erotica...that's where I draw the line
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arfelin
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I belong to a small liberal Lutheran
church. I think the women in the congregation would be interested in
reading your series. My pastor is a woman and I know she would--if she
hasn't already. I'll pass the word around.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Thanks arfelin!
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Oh...
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Bent Pages bookstore in Houma, Louisiana may still
have a copy or 2 of the originals
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as well as BackRoad Books in Bandera, TX (where they are
set).
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I'm not sure though, since it
has been a LONG time since I had any to send to them!
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But feel free to check them
out...they have websites I think.
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Mary Rosenblum
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If you will email me, Pamela,
when the new series is out, I'll include it in one of the bi-weekly website
updates I send out, with a link so that interested readers can find the
books to purchase.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Thanks! Will do!
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alexander
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How do you come up with your
characters?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Good question alexander...all
I can say is Divine Intervention...
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I know that sounds like a
'pat' answer
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but I HONESTLY don't have any
other explanation.
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Of course, when I initially
drafted the books, they were with the secular (there wasn't a CBA back
then) market in mind.
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bud
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I have to leave now, but I want
to thank you for joining us tonight Pamela, and thanks for the e-mail this
afternoon.
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Thank you bud!
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speckledorf
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I'm working on a Christian
nonfiction book...any tips?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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not really speckledorf.
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Maybe do a little research to
see if there are any similar out there...pitch to those publishers..
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find a reason yours is
different/better/more compelling.
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margieh
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Maybe you've already answered
this, are the sexual boundaries in romance novels determined by the
boundaries in movies and TV?
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Mary Rosenblum
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That depends on the romance
imprint doesn't it, Pamela?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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Hi margieh! Yes, it depends on
the imprint.
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Some are, like the erotica but
many don't really want graphic or gratuitous sex...it must be a natural
progression of the couple
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and it must move the story
along, not just thrown in there for word count!
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t green
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Would you compare your Christian
romances to Dee Henderson's?
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Pamela Thibodeaux
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I haven't read Dee Henderson's
though I have heard a lot about her
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and someone compared them at a
speaking engagement over the summer.
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