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Mary Rosenblum
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Hello, all, and I hope you had
a great Christmas!
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Welcome to our final interview
of the year, folks.
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My guest today is Scott A.
Johnson, horror writer, and an author who has just published his first book,
An American Haunting, and has sold his second, Deadlands! An American
Haunting is a classic-style haunted house story in the vein of Richard
Matheson's Hell House and King's The Shining. Deadlands is set in
post-apocalyptic times. He also writes 'Cold Spots', a monthly column for
The Horror Channel about real haunted places. Take a look at his website
at: http://www.americanhorrorwriter.com
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Scott, welcome, we're glad
you're here!
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Scott Johnson
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Thanks very much! Glad to be
here.
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Mary Rosenblum
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So let's begin at the
beginning. How did you get started writing? And when?
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Scott Johnson
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I've always been a story
teller, since I was a kid. I made up stories to entertain myself and my
friends.
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I didn't start really
"writing" until I was in college.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Was that when you realized you
wanted to do this as a career?
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Scott Johnson
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I was in a creative fiction
class and wrote a great deal of "Twilight Zone" type stories.
When my classmates started to look at me like I was a psycho, I knew I
wanted to do this.
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I started doing this just to
see if I could do it. Now I'm hooked.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, I'm laughing! It was that
or wait for the men in white coats? And what was your major in college? I'm
curious.
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Scott Johnson
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Advertising, believe it or
not.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Wow! That should help you in
marketing!
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speckledorf
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Do you have a favorite subgenre
in the horror field?
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Scott Johnson
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Not really a favorite
subgenre, although I am particularly fond of ghost stories.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Which is cool. Too much of
horror these days seems to center on blood and graphic gore. Good for you!
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ellenj
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Are there any special nuances to
writing ghost stories?
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Scott Johnson
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Ghost stories are special
because you're dealing with, essentially, another human being! Ghosts can
be frightening, but tragic at the same time.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I agree. I grew up on ghost
stories, and I think they were scary for me because they did involve
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people and thus they were more
believable. The shock of blood splattering
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doesn't really scare me.
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Do you work on characterization
for your ghosts, or just your characters?
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Scott Johnson
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Mostly, building a good ghost
story comes with building the proper atmosphere around the prime
characters. It's tough to avoid cliché’s when doing something
like that, but it's worth the trouble to see a reader's skin crawl!
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Mary Rosenblum
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No kidding! I find that I still
can't read HP Lovecraft on a dark day in a spooky location.
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Scott Johnson
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It really depends on the
story. The ghosts are just as much characters as are the living beings in
the story. You have to build a character around them, or they're not
believable.
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You don't want one-dimensional
characters, even dead ones, or your audience won't care about them.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Good! No cardboard monsters out
ravening. I like that.
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Are your ghosts ever positive
characters?
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Scott Johnson
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Lovecraft is, by the way, one
of my favorites!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Me, too. :-)
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Antonio Salas just asked if you
build the character first or the atmosphere.
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He didn't get the question to
the stage.
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Scott Johnson
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I build the characters first.
The characters are always prime to the story. The atmosphere is created
largely out of the characters themselves.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Ah, you're a writer after my
own heart! Bravo! :-)
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speckledorf
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Is there a big market for ghost
stories?
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Scott Johnson
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Speckledorf, Depends on if
they're true or not. There are big markets for both, but the true ghost
stories market is bigger. Seems like everyone wants to know where the
bodies are buried!
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ellenj
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Are there special publishers for
ghost stories?
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Scott Johnson
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Ellen, Not really. When you're
researching publishers, you can find a list of things they don't accept.
Few of them say "No Ghost Stories." The bottom line is that if
the story is good, most of the time they'll give it a go.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And some ghost stories can
cross over into mainstream...you're not limited to genre markets.
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Scott, did you publish short
fiction before you sold your novels?
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Scott Johnson
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Mary, Yes I did. I started
submitting short stories to literary journals and online magazines. After a
while, a few got accepted. It wasn't something I was expecting, but it
happened. That was when I decided to give this thing a real try.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Do you think it helped you sell
your first novel?
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Scott Johnson
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I think it helped in that I
had a few credits under my name. I only included the markets that were
"professional" on my resume, and left the others off. I think
that showed that I was serious about doing this.
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chatty lady
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Hi Scott, do you have another
job or is writing it for you?
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Scott Johnson
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I do work for a university, as
a computer jocky.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And THAT"S why you were so
easy to train as a guest! :-)
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Scott Johnson
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Oddly, I don't teach or
anything. I just keep the computer systems running for the English
department.
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I'm looking forward to the day
when writing will be my only job.
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Mary Rosenblum
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You know, you probably have the
best type of University job. I think teaching writing for many writers dips
from the same well...not for me, but I'm odd in many ways, LOL
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You also write a 'real ghosts'
column, too, for the Horror Channel. Want to tell us about that?
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Scott Johnson
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Sure. Twice a month, a new
article goes up. I research and write articles on places that are haunted,
and I provide the back story into why it's haunted...
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It's something I've been
interested in since I was a kid. I've always enjoyed going into the creepy
places...
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What makes these stories more
powerful is that, when you read one that's in your home state or town, it
makes it all the more real to you. You realize you pass by that place on
your way to work every day, or that you've seen it since you were a child.
It makes for some creepy reading! :-)
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Mary Rosenblum
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That is so cool. Have you
thought about collecting the articles into book form: Real Ghosts or
something like that? Seems as if the big NY publishers might well be
interested. And I have to ask...have you met any ghosts?
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Scott Johnson
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The publisher that I'm working
with now is interested in collecting the articles together. And yes, I've
met my fair share of ghosts. "An American Haunting" is, in fact,
based on a real house in which I used to live.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, now that IS
creepy...although I do have my own resident ghost.
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tory
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How did you avoid being scared
of these creepy places as a kid?
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Scott Johnson
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Actually, I enjoyed being
scared! That's what attracted me to them!
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speckledorf
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Do you find the need to explain
the ghost being there or do you just let the reader deal with it? I mean,
most people don't normally deal with ghosts and probably wouldn't take them
very casually.
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Scott Johnson
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It's quite the rush!
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I don't really explain the
ghost being there. What I do is present the history, tell the folklore
around it, and present what has been seen, heard and experienced. There are
those that will say that no place is haunted, and others who believe.
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I say let them draw their own
conclusions. Though there is no denying the creep-factor of some of these
places.
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lordjaw
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Do you believe that ghosts
really exist?
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Scott Johnson
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Yep. Sure do. Bear with me for
a moment and I'll tell you why.
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My grandmother bought one of
the first houses finished in my home town. She lived in that house until
she died late in life. While she was alive, she taught nursery school to
much of my home town.
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When she died, my family
decided to sell the house, and it was decided that it should go to a
family. That's what it was to us, a family home. Three months after we sold
the house to a lady with a daughter, my Uncle gets a message from the new
owner.
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She asked if he wanted to see
the improvements they'd made to the house. He accepted. They were sitting
around, drinking coffee, when out of the blue the woman says "Did
someone die in this house?"
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Sammy says "Yes, my
mother. Why?" The woman asked "Was she a little woman with white
hair and a crippled right hand?" My grandmother fell in a fireplace
when she was a child, burning her right hand. There is no way that woman
could have known that.
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Sammy said "yes,
why?" The woman looked him right in the eye and said "Because my
four-year-old sure does love playing with the sweet old woman who still
lives here." Three families have lived in the house since.
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All three familes have
described the same old woman. Little. White Hair. Crippled right hand.
Loves children. The house was for sale again when I last visited.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That is such a cool story! So
have you ever felt threatened by a ghost? Did you ever feel you bit off
more than you could chew, being there?
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Scott Johnson
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No. I don't provoke them. I
pretty much leave them to do what they want to do. Plus, there're about a
dozen different kinds of hauntings. Very few can really interact with the
living. Most are more like echoes.
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chatty lady
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I truly believe and saw proof
with my own eyes as a teenager. It still gives me chills today to relate
the story.
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Scott Johnson
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Chatty, it must be a powerful
image to still conjure those feelings in you. Have you ever tried to put it
down on paper?
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See, this is what attracts me
to horror.
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What is writing, but an
attempt to elicit an emotional response from the reader? It doesn't matter
what that response is. Love, hate, comedy, revulsion. It's all emotional.
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HP Lovecraft said "The
oldest and strongest of all human emotions is fear," and I believe he
was right. If you can get your audience to feel something, anything, with
your words on a page, then you've done your job as a writer!
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Mary Rosenblum
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I totally agree!
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And I this is the type of
horror that matters, to my mind
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because the emotional response
is not just one of revulsion. :-)
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marly
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Does your own writing ever scare
you?
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Scott Johnson
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Marly, I've given my self a
case of the heebie-jeebies once or twice. And I loved every moment of it.
Those moments terrified my First Reader, so it made me feel good!
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's GREAT. :-)
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chatty lady
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No but I have a rough outline of
the ghost story. I want to be accurate since it's a true story.
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Mary Rosenblum
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True ghost stories sell better
than made up, don't they, Scott?
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Scott Johnson
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They do sell better, but that
shouldn't stop you from fictionalizing things. I hope you can find all the
information you need for that story, chatty!
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writeaway
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When you know a house is
haunted, but recent history turns nothing up...where do you go for the
information?
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Scott Johnson
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Writeaway, Hall of records,
county clerk's office, even older people who've lived in the town. If you
dig hard enough, you can find any piece of information.
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Incidentally, any professional
writer needs a First Reader. A First Reader is someone whose opinion you
trust, and whom you trust to give you an honest opinion. It does no good to
have fifty people tell you how wonderful your work is if they're just
saying it to be nice. You need someone who has no qualms about telling you
"this sucks" or "that's not working..."For me, it's my
wife, who's never had a problem telling me when something I've done sucks!
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forest elf
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Ah! That would be my
sister-in-law ... she is painfully honest.
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Scott Johnson
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Forest Elf, So much the
better! Painfully honest, if she's the audience you want to reach, is what
you want!
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arfelin
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Do all ghosts pretty much act
the same way? Does ghost stories and horror go hand in hand or can ghost
stories work without the horror element?
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Scott Johnson
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Ghost stories don't have to be
horror. In fact, I can't think of another type of story that can cross to
EVERY genre in the book. No two ghosts are alike, BTW. I've read
supernatural romance (which is a ghost story), supernatural sci-fi (ghost
story), and even historical ghost stories that avoided the
"horror" aspect of it all together.
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joker
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Have you converted any
non-believers?
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Scott Johnson
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My uncle and my dad. Neither
of them believed. However, after experiences of their own, they both now
do.
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One of the most famous horror
stories in the world is a ghost story and it's considered literature by
every one. Care to take a guess at the name?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Tell us tell us. :-)
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Scott Johnson
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"A Christmas Carol"
by Dickens.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Well, we should have all gotten
that one this time of year. That's still my favorite work by Dickens.
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Scott Johnson
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red 1 got it right off, way to
go, red.
WTG RED!
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paja
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This may have been asked, but
"horror" is that which elicits fear in the reader. Correct?
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Scott Johnson
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Horror is anything that
frightens or brings fear, yes.
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coway
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Haven't you found all ghost
stories aren't bad? Aren't horror stories? Perhaps someone stuck and
needing release to continue their journey?
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Scott Johnson
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My definition of horror goes a
little deeper. It's what causes fear on the primal level.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And of course, Dickens is a
great example of that.
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And by that definition, then
Scott, not all ghost stories are horror, yes?
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sam2
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I thought it was The Legend of
Sleepy Hollow...lol
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Mary Rosenblum
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Aha, there's another one!
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Scott Johnson
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Not all ghost stories are bad.
Neither are all horror stories. Some are quite comical. If you read "I
Am Legend," by Richard Mattheson, you'll find a collection of short
stories at the end of the novella that covers every aspect of the horror
genre!
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Mary, you're right. Not all
ghost stories are horror. Of course, you could wrap your brian around
this...The Bible is full of ghost stories. And Horror.
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Mary Rosenblum
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No kidding...just start reading
Revelations! LOL There's your horror.
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tory
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Which came first for you? Your
book or your Cold Spots column?
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Scott Johnson
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My book. Well...Cold spots
came OUT first, but the book was picked up long before Cold Spots was even
thought about.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Did you pitch that to the
Horror Channel or did they ask you?
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Scott Johnson
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Actually, they asked me! I
found the Horror Channel site by accident!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, what a NICE ego boost! :-) Do
you find that your 'real ghost' column and your fiction cross-fertilize?
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Scott Johnson
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Definitely. I've gotten some
really good settings from my research, and writing fiction gets me pumped
to write about real scary things even more!
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In fact, the book I'm
currently working on is a combination of three real haunted places I've
researched.
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Mary Rosenblum
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It seems like a great
combination...research you get paid for ahead of time!
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coway
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But the book you are writing on
the real haunted places, are you still doing it as fiction?
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Scott Johnson
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Coway, they're two separate
projects. The real haunted places will stay, whether in article or
collected form, under the "Cold Spots" banner. I draw inspiration
for the fiction from those places.
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arfelin
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I've read horror stories that
I've I really liked a lot because of the good writing and good story. My
problem is I don't have the stomach for gore. Is that NOT a necessity in
horror literature?
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Mary Rosenblum
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Very little if any gore in Lovecraft's
work.
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Scott Johnson
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Gore is not a necessity for
horror. In fact, gore can detract from it, if it's not handled properly.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Here here!
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Scott Johnson
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Gore for the sake of gore
comes off as forced. You ever see a movie or read a book where the
producers said "Let's throw a sex scene in here," and it doesn't
make any sense? Same thing.
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chatty lady
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Is an entity and ghost the same?
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Scott Johnson
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Nope. Some people use the two
terms interchangeably, but it's not the case. An entity shows some signs of
intelligence. A "ghost" is a broad term that covers the whole
spectrum.
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marly
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How long did it take you to
write your first novel?
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Scott Johnson
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It took me five months to
write and polish. Then it took me a year to find a publisher.
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I didn't want to go Print on
Demand or vanity publish or self publish. I wanted a real publisher and
held out until I got one.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Tell us about your publisher.
This is a small press house, yes?
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Scott Johnson
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Harbor House Books was named
one of Publishers Weekly's top ten small presses in 2004. They're great to
work with, and they give a great deal of attention to their writers.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's great! There's a wide
variation in small press publishers.
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Are you happy with your
distribution?
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Scott Johnson
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They're out of Augusta, Georgia, and they're
growing rapidly. In fact, they've just informed me that they're launching a
new imprint, "Batwing Press," around horror and want me to be
their "flagship."
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, how cool! Is that for a
new, third book?
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Or the one coming out?
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Scott Johnson
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I couldn't be happier with the
distribution. They're distributed by Ingrams and NBN, which means my book
can be gotten just about anywhere.
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It's for "Deadlands,"
the new one! It'll be the first on that imprint.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Great! That should get you more
notice, review-wise. Good for you!
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Have you worked through an
agent or have you been able to avoid that with this publisher.
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Scott Johnson
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They're also talking about
picking up a third one, called "Cane River: A Ghost Story."
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Mary Rosenblum
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Oh, that's a strong title. Set
in the south, I take it?
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Scott Johnson
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I don't have an agent. Apparently,
the market is flooded with horror writers, so agents simply aren't
accepting new horror writers at this time. I had to find them myself.
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And yes, it's set in south Texas.
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Mary Rosenblum
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From what I hear, small press
contracts are much simpler than New York publishers, and they are open to un-agented submissions,
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at least in the genres.
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coway
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Would you say small publishing
house is best for a newbie writer?
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Scott Johnson
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Small presses are usually more
open to unagented materials. The best way to find them is to pick up a copy
of Writer's Market at you local bookstore and start perusing the
guidelines.
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Coway, I'd say you have a
better chance at being noticed by a small publishing house.
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Mary Rosenblum
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But do be a savvy writer and do
a search online on that publisher's name. There ARE scam 'publishers' out
there.
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Scott Johnson
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A couple of things I would
mention though...If you want to be taken seriously as a writer, avoid the
POD, Vanity, and Self-Publish route.
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You, as the writer, should
never have to pay a cent to publish, nor should you be asked to provide a
"set-up fee" or anything like that.
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Professional writers get paid.
Period. If you want to be a professional writer, find a publisher that
offers an advance against royalties.
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What I'm trying to say is, do
the research when you're signing your babies (your manuscripts) over to
these people. I've known too many people who got burned by bad deals.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Remember this mantra: Money
flows FROM the publisher TO the writer!
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And did Harbor offer you an
advance? That's quite rare for small press. They MUST be doing well!
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Most offer royalties only...a
better rate than NY publishers.
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Scott Johnson
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Harbor House offered me a $500
advance. Plus a ten-percent royalty on all sales.
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They also are working on
selling movie rights, foreign distribution rights, and mass-market
paperback rights.
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All of which I get a hefty
percentage of.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's quite good. Most NY
publishers offer less for royalties, even though they offer larger
advances.
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writeaway
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What kind of royalties and
advance is considered good for a new writer?
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Mary Rosenblum
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I would say what Scott got from
Harbor is quite good for small press.
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Scott Johnson
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What I got was obscenely good.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Most of the small press
publishers I know offer about ten percent royalties, but no advance.
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Scott Johnson
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I would say not to go lower
for an advance than $250, and no lower than eight percent on the royalties.
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Mary Rosenblum
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The NYC publishers offer from
2000$ – 5000$ for most new writers, with a royalty up to 8.5% or so,
depending on how good your agent is at bargaining. This is for a first
book.
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lordjaw
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Do you have an agent now?
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Scott Johnson
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Nope. Still can't get one to
touch me.
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And frankly, I'm not worried
about it. When the time is right, I'll get one.
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lordjaw
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Are you going to write the
screen plays for your books?
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Scott Johnson
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I'd love to. Once the film
companies have bought the rights, they usually do give the author first
crack. However, they're not obligated to.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Go for it if they do! BIG money
in that!
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writeaway
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Did you have a lawyer to deal
with the publisher's contracts?
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Scott Johnson
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Nope. The contracts I've dealt
with so far are not difficult to understand, and Harbor House has been
really good about going over every line with me. As I continue doing this,
I'll have to get one, but for now I don't need one.
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coway
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Do they only do horror, or would
they consider science fiction....which does have some scary parts?
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Scott Johnson
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Harbor House doesn't take
science fiction, but I know where you can find publishers who do.
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http://www.ralan.com
It's an online free compendium of speculative fiction markets.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Is Harbor House horror only?
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Scott Johnson
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Harbor House does
historical fiction, horror, histories...they have a pretty broad plate.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Interesting cross section. I
know a number of people here write in the history/historical genres.
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Scott Johnson
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There is a HUGE market for
them.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Too much research for me. :-)
I'd rather make up ecology and planetary physics.
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Here's a comment from a member
of the audience...I'd like to hear your comments on it.
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jr souza jr
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In today’s tough market
place self-publishing can be a way to be noticed by publishers ie
Christopher Paolini.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I think this is a common
belief. What say you?
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Scott Johnson
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Like I was telling Marly
earlier, I really enjoy building my own worlds and my own rules.
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Jr souza jr, I don't believe
that. Sorry, but I just don't find it true. I know more than a dozen
self-published folks that can't get anyone to even read the COVER of their
latest work, because it's self-published.
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The reason is this: Anyone can
self-publish, regardless of talent, education level, sanity, or any other
thing. I've read some self-published novels with the most glaring editorial
errors and sloppy story lines.
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Publishers won't even look at
a self-published book because the market is flooded with people like that.
And it's a shame because there's some real talent out there.
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Mary Rosenblum
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I’m going to flatly
interject some reality here because I have a LOT of editor friends. It is
entirely untrue. Editors pay no attention to self published books UNLESS
they sell. And that means, to a major publisher, over 30,000 copies in
about a year. That is VERY hard to do without major distribution. This
really is a myth. And it's a myth heavily promoted by the self publish
companies. Need we ask why?
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And there are exceptions that
prove the rule...but will YOU be the exception?
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forest elf
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And I looked at Harbor House's
website...they don't take previously self published work.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And then there's that. :-)
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Scott Johnson
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Christopher Paolini is the
exception. I doubt I'd be.
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Nope, they sure don't.
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Mary Rosenblum
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My feeling is that if you
believe in your book, keep trying...you'll sell. You didn't sell to the
first place you queried did you, Scott?
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Scott Johnson
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HAH! I've got a stack of
rejections more than three inches thick! I plan on wallpapering a room with
them someday!
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Mary Rosenblum
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This is wonderful. Thank you.
Me, too.
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Want to tell us a bit about how
you went from written novel to sold novel?
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It's SO easy to get
discouraged.
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How did you fight that?
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Scott Johnson
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I went on to the next project.
It's that simple. I kept a list of everywhere I queried and when a
rejection came in, I just marked it off the list. I worked on the next
project until I got the acceptance. Also, my wife is one of the most
wonderful people on the planet. She's very supportive of what I do.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That sure helps! And that's an excellent way to do it.
Was the next project the next book?
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Scott Johnson
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The next project was something
that didn't come out very well, but the one after that was Deadlands. So
far, I've got a pretty good average.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And you never know about that
second project. I just found a failed story I wrote ten years ago..immediately
saw what was wrong...and sold it to SciFiction.
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Scott Johnson
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Hah! I haven't cracked that
market yet, and I even know the editor. Ellen is a good editor, and a good
judge of stories. Congratulations on the sale.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Thanks. :-) I know her, too,
and that's the first I’ve sold her. :-)
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marly
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How much time do you spend
writing each day?
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Scott Johnson
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I write a thousand words a
day, minimum. If I go over, great. If not, I keep banging away until
something comes out. And I might be garbage, but out of it I can usually
salvage even the tiniest nugget.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Good for you!
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arfelin
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Do you ever write short stories
anymore? From studying WRITER'S MARKET 2005 I've noticed there seem to be
lot of magazines looking for horror stories.
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Scott Johnson
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I don't write them as much
anymore. I find them a little to constraining for my own style. I had one
short story clock in at over 10,000 words that no one will touch because
it's just too long.
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I still think it's one of the
best things I've written, but it's too long.
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I'm sticking to novels right
now. It's a better fit with me. The next short story I have coming out is
in All Hallows some time this next year.
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It's a ghost story too. Go
figure.
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Mary Rosenblum
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We're about out of time, Scott.
You have been a marvelous guest!
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Want to tell us about your
books and where people can find them?
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Scott Johnson
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An American Haunting is
currently on the streets and available through Amazon, Barnes and Noble,
Borders, Books-A-Million, Walmart, and any other place you can think of. If
they don't have it in stock, I do know they can get it.
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Mary Rosenblum
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And when is Dead Lands out?
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Scott Johnson
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Deadlands is a
post-apocalyptic book about zombies. It'll be out in September 05. Lots of
fun, those zombies.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Hey, my English teacher was an
extra in Night of the Living Dead...I love zombies..
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tory
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What types of markets do you
exclude from the "professional" category you mentioned earlier?
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Scott Johnson
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Only the ones that pay more
than one cent per word are "professional." I don't include
the "for the love" markets because I don't believe in giving away
work unless it's for a good cause. (for
the love means for no pay)
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Mary Rosenblum
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And here's the question we've
all been asking ourselves all night... :-)
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diar
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Did you ever see a real ghost
during your research?
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Scott Johnson
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I've seen several, but the
ones I really want to see are further down the road.
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Mary Rosenblum
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That's cool. Never have seen
one...
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Scott will you come back and be
a guest here again?
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I'd love to have you back...you
really have been great.
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Scott Johnson
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Any time!
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Mary Rosenblum
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If I can twist your arm, it
would be a lot of fun to do a 'ghost story workshop' with you
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and create a ghost story with
the audience's help.
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I've done several of these for
the Forums, but I think you'd be GREAT at it.
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Scott Johnson
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Hah! I'd love to do a ghost
story workshop!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Great! I'll talk dates with you
after I look at my calendar!
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writeaway
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Please do, Scott.
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arfelin
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What an interesting forum.
Thanks Mary and Scott!
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forest elf
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Is horror all you write? Or do
you also write other genres?
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Scott Johnson
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I write other genres, but just
for my own amusement. Horror is my big gun!
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Mary Rosenblum
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Scott, feel free to drop into
the website any time.
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Scott Johnson
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I'd like to thank Mary, and
all of the rest of you for having me here. It really means a great deal to
me.
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Mary Rosenblum
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We've enjoyed having you visit
and it's a fun place to hang out and talk to other writer-minded folk.
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Scott Johnson
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And you'll be seeing more of
me around.
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Mary Rosenblum
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It's an open website and we'd
love to have you!
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That's great!
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Thank you all for coming!
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marly
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Thanks for coming, Scott! You
were helpful, indeed!
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coway
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Thank you very much, you had a
wealth of information.
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Mary Rosenblum
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Thank you all for coming! And
good night!
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I'm looking forward to our
ghost story workshop!
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Scott Johnson
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You're welcome guys! And
thanks for having me!
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