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Analyzing the story for makets 8/31/04

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Tue Aug 31 12:06:36 2004

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mary rosenblum

Hello, all

mary rosenblum

Welcome to our Tuesday Forum.

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This is the Tuesday Forum with me, Mary Rosenblum, LR Web Editor, fiction and nonfiction writer. If you're new here, remember that you need to click on the 'Ask a Question' button or the 'word bubble' next to the red question mark at the top of the screen, or use the ask a question icon in order to ask a question. Your regular 'send' bar won't reach me! You can also type /ask in front of your question to reach me.

diannalmt

Hi Mary, how are you today?

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I am in a frenzy of getting ready to leave well before the crack of dawn tomorrow for Boston and the world SF confention.

mary rosenblum

Uh..convention.

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I'll be gone a full week, but Programming put me on EXCELLENT panels so I'm very happy.

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Our Friday Forum will be from Boston...hope I can remember the time change!

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It will be a nonfiction topic...clip etiquette...what to send, when, and how.

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Result of an email request.

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Today's topic is also the result of an email request.

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A website regular wanted to know how to analyze novels for the marketplace...deciding just what you are writing and who is most likely to publish it.

mary rosenblum

And this is a VERY worthwhile practice.

mary rosenblum

For one thing, learning to look objectively at a story and realize what it's major componenets are will strengthen your own writing.

mary rosenblum

For example, the very first mystery I wrote is still unsold, because I didn't know what I was doing...

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and inadvertantly straddled the cozy and harder 'amateur dectective' sub-genres.

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I'll have to go back and make it fit the amateur detective category before I'll be able to sell it.

owlybear

If you forget the time change, you'll just be a few hours early...lol

mary rosenblum

Yep, owly. If I show up here and the place is empty, it will certainly jog my memory...

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but I can't anyway. I'll be signing at the Asimov's table at 5 pm -- which is the Pacific Forum time. :-)

lbaggins

Is it true that the only way to learn how to write Fantasy,

lbaggins

Sci Fi etc. is to read everything that's already been done?

mary rosenblum

Wow,I HOPE not! If it IS I don't know how I've managed it this long! That is a HUGE pair of genres.

mary rosenblum

I can't begin to read even half of what gets published! I"m lucky if I can get the Nebula and Hugo nominees read!

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NO.

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You do not need to read EVERYTHING out there...but...

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you will always do better in any genre if you read regularly within it.

mary rosenblum

When someone tries to write SF, for example, who never reads SF, they tend to 'reinvent the wheel'.

mary rosenblum

That is they do a 'gee whiz' story about some type of tech that has been pretty widely used in SF for a long time...

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Now there would be nothing wrong with using that tech in a story...

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but holding it up as 'wow, ain't this new and wonderful' as the main driving force of the story won't work.

lbaggins

I read that in a book from Writer's Digest Book Club.

mary rosenblum

You can read a lot of 'expert' opinions, lbaggins.

mary rosenblum

But you have to be a bit of a consumer here. When you hear absolutes like MUST and ALWAYS, EVERYTHING and the like...

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be a skeptic.

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And find out who wrote that bit of advice. Bet it wasn't a well known SF writer.

mary rosenblum

NEW is not critical at all in those genres. FRESH is.

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You can tell a story that has been told a thousand times and if your characters/your setting/ your spin makes it fresh, it sells.

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Harry Potter is not NEW. There are already dozens of 'wizards school' books out there in the fantasy world.

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Rowlings spin on it is what made it fresh and made it sell.

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Good writing is MUCH more important than NEW. Always.

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Aha...an absolute. One of the few I'll utter! LOL

bravo6

kind of like a late mnight infomercial. SOmeone may beleive it, but not me! ;-P

mary rosenblum

Well, one thing to keep in mind is that anyone can claim to be an expert So always check for yourself, see what works for you, listen to other writers, and THEN make your decision.

mary rosenblum

If you want to write in a particular genre, say SF or Thriller, you are going to have to do some serious research if you don't read in that genre.

realityczech

So, using Rowlings as an example, what about her "spin" or "slant" is it that sold editors and the rest of the reading universe on her books?

mary rosenblum

Reality, it DIDN"T sell the editors. After many rejections it was purchased, but with a very lukewarm reception. No real advertising campagn. AS to what make it take off...dear, if I could answer that question...

mary rosenblum

I'd write the 'how to write a blockbuster' book that worked, and I'd already be a millionaire!

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That is the 'brass ring' factor.

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Nobody knows ahead of time when a book will succeed. The authors always claim that they knew after...but hindsight is always 20-20.

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Nobody yet, including Maas, has written a book that guarantees you'll have a best seller if you follow the rules.

lbaggins

Could you give me a list on what books, mags, are best to

lbaggins

read in Fantasy, Sci Fi sometime?

mary rosenblum

The best way to find the best in any genre is to read the trade journal.

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In SF that's Locus Magazine.

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Romantic Times in Romance.

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Oh, Locus for Fantasy, too.

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You get reviews, publishing news.

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roe

So tell us how to find the right market for our story

margieh

If we're trying to access a market or publisher is it important to read a number of their books from cover to cover? What are we looking for?

mary rosenblum

These questions and their answers go hand in hand.

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First you need to decide what the main elements of your story are.

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Quick! Tell me in three sentences or less what your story IS.

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Not what it's ABOUT, but what it IS>

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Confused yet?

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OK...young wizard at school, and adventure filled romp with lots of characters, interesting supernatural wildlife, and straightforward plot...

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That's the first couple of HP books.

mary rosenblum

The keywords here are: Lots of characters. Interesting setting. Plot driven.

mary rosenblum

Various imprintes (lines within a large publisher like Random House) and small press publishers...

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tend to publish similar works. Baen, for example, tends to publish a lot of military SF and space opera...

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with sprawling plots, lots of characters, and plot driven.

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If you have a character driven novel without a lot of shoot-em-up action, this might not be the best first choice to send your ms to.

mary rosenblum

In magazines, Analog is strongly based on science.

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Asimov's is not.

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If your story is character driven, and the science is minimal or a real stretch...

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don't send it to Analog.

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IN mystery, Ellery Queen features straightforward mystery plot along the hard boiled or amateur detective type. No cozies.

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No supernatural. Go to Hitchcock for that.

roe

So the only way to find this out would be to read the mags right?

mary rosenblum

Yes. At least three issues. Same as for a nonfiction market survey.

mary rosenblum

And make a checklist...check off categories for each story in the mag:

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BECAUSE...some stories will be in there because the author is a Big Name and even tho the story isn't typical for the magazine, the editor knew it would sell copies. l

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So you want an average.

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Checklist: Character Driven? Plot Driven? Many characters? Single POVs? Style oriented? Minimalist style? Open ended stories? Strong closures? Three dimensional characters? Vivid, but shallow characters?

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Narrative POV? First? Third?

tally

/ask..what about stephen king?

mary rosenblum

What about him, Tally? He's another brass ring phenomenon.

realityczech

Is there a trade magazine for middle Grade/YA?

mary rosenblum

I'm sure there is, reality. I don't know what it is, though.

patchworkcat

Exactly what is a cozy mystery?

mary rosenblum

A subgenre where the villain is local, not an outsider, violence and sex are offstage, and the story is set in a local context. Think Miss Marple by Agatha Christie.

deb1234

How do you know the difference between the name selling the story and the story selling itself?

mary rosenblum

The name only sells the story if the name is huge. If King has a story in a horror mag, it could be awful. The editor probably won't turn it down...

mary rosenblum

although an editor friend of mine, Kris Rusch, DID turn down a story by Ray Bradbury when she was editor of Fantasy and SF...so it DOES happen!

mary rosenblum

Most of the time, the story sells itself.

diannalmt

so where do we look for things like romatic fantasy or adventure sci-fi?

diannalmt

things that may cross genres, etc...

curseofthe44

Mary, do you have any suggestions for mags that are spec fiction or "unusual" stories?

bravo6

What would be a good list for current mags/publishers that buy SciFi short stories. Where would be a good place to look for just that spcific arena (Besides the internet)?

mary rosenblum

From the research I have done, the internet is the best place to find markets at the moment, short of going to conferences and schmoozing with published writers to find out who is buying...

mary rosenblum

and to hunt for open anthologies.

mary rosenblum

There are quite a few VERY thorough 'writers market' websites out there in all genres. Do some googling and you'll find 'em.

realityczech

Are we talking strictly short story here--journal-wise? Because the children's magazine market is a LOT different from the novel market, as far as the types of stories go. Much more conservative!

mary rosenblum

Locus covers both, and yes, they are different, but not nearly as different as the childrens market.

mary rosenblum

I don't know if there are different journals for those markets, but a half hour in the internet should tell you. :-)

margieh

Do the same things apply when you're looking at markets for book length work or do you approach it differently?

mary rosenblum

Same idea, margieh.

mary rosenblum

Start with your story here.

mary rosenblum

Again, quick.. tell me what your book IS!

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A local mystery in a cool setting?

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space opera with a strong romance at the heart?

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A romance with a twenty year old in NYC?

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A near miss with a tailored virus that escapes the lab?

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Each of these fits a different genre...which is merely a marketing issue, by the way.

mary rosenblum

It tells the bookstore where to shelve your book.

mary rosenblum

But what YOU need to do is hit your local library or your Barnes and Noble or your used bookstore.

mary rosenblum

One caveat about used and library books. Fads shift and publishers change with 'em.

mary rosenblum

If you are looking at books published ten or even five years ago...

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that may not be an accurate representation of what a publisher is now publishing.

mary rosenblum

You can start at the library (cheap!) and check your results at Barnse and NOble. Is this imprint STILL space opera? is this imprint STILL romantic mystery?

mary rosenblum

You have decided what the strong points of your book are:

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coming of age story in the south...

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No fantasy/horror/mystery elements so you look in mainstream.

mary rosenblum

Start browsing. when you find a story that seems to be 'coming of age' in nature, not the imprint on the spine..

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Yearling, Dell, Bantam, Penguin, whatever...

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Look for more books with the same imprint, published recently. Again, do a mental or on paper checklist.

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What are you finding?

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Lots of women protagonist facing life changes?

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Midlife crises with male POVs in interesting and foreign settings?

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Stories of foreigners making it in the US?

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Plot driven stories of overcoming physical hazards or obstacles?

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Kind of keep a running tally...

mary rosenblum

If you find that a particular imprint has several recent 'coming of age' books and seems to feature a lot of plots...

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set strongly in regional settings... SF, New Orleans, Los Angeles...

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and your story is set in St. Augustine and has a lot of rich local color, is coming of age in nature...

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maybe that imprint is a good place to start.

realityczech

What do you do when you find the ideal imprint and the publisher doesn't take unsolicted manuscripts anymore?

mary rosenblum

Aha...good next question, reality, becauase that's where I'm going next...

mary rosenblum

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mary rosenblum

VERY few publishers take 'over the transom', ie unsolicited ms any more.

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BUT...knowing which imprint is publishing similar books will help you in one of a couple of ways.

mary rosenblum

When you query an agent, you include in your query letter the information that Imprint is publishing a lot of coming of age stories set in rich local settings, and list a couple of titles.

mary rosenblum

The fact that you have done this much homework will impress the potential agent who doesn't really want any unpublished new clients because they are a LOT Of work...

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and may just get you a 'send it to me' reply.

mary rosenblum

It also points the agent to that publisher, if it's not a publisher the agent is a regular with.

mary rosenblum

Second possibility...if you can attend a writers conference...

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you now know which editors to look for.

mary rosenblum

Go to the panels where editors appear, read the schedule and bios that most conferences give you when you buy your membership..

mary rosenblum

Is there an editor for that imprint here?

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GREAT!

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Go chat with him or her.

mary rosenblum

Do NOT offer your ms right there. BIG no no.

mary rosenblum

But ASK what that editor needs right now. What is selling?

mary rosenblum

If it seems in any way to resemble YOUR book, you say, Gee, I have something like that. It's set in St. Augustine....

mary rosenblum

And with any luck, the editor will tell you to send it to her directly...which gets you past the 'agent' door-guard! :-)

mary rosenblum

Editors are HAPPY to talk about what they publish. That may save them from having to handle YOUR ms if it doesn't fit what they want.

mary rosenblum

They will not look at a ms at a conference and they certainly don't want to lug it back to New York and risk losing it, so don't even ASK.

mary rosenblum

The additional benefit to this 'homework' is that the more you know about what sells where in your genre of choice...

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the more you will be able to see what you are doing in your own work.

mary rosenblum

I'm not saying that you should write for the market, necessarily.

mary rosenblum

But if you have a minor subplot in a story that is probably going to be a problem in your particular genre of choice...say YA...

mary rosenblum

it might not be a problem at all to leave it out or alter it.

tally

/ask...when do the new directories usually come out?

mary rosenblum

Tally, published directories come out once a year...usually early in the calendar year.

mary rosenblum

Remember that the major ones like Writers Market are available in your local library.

mary rosenblum

Our branch has eight or ten on the reference shelf: Poet's Market, Illustrators Market, Nonfiction Writers Market, etc.

mary rosenblum

MUCH cheaper than buying that new copy every year !

realityczech

What about the paid chapter reviews that some editors offer at conference, are they worth the money?

mary rosenblum

Yes, that CAN be worth it, reality, if YOU are prepared. It gives you a chance to talk to the editor and find out what he/she is looking for. But if you are going to spend the money for it...

mary rosenblum

don't waste it. Write up a really GOOD synopsis so that readers are drooling to read the book.

mary rosenblum

This is NOT a time to be modest at all.

mary rosenblum

While you shouldn't be rediculously over the top either (this is the GREATEST book since the Bible!!!!)...

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neither should you bow and scrape and wait for the editor to tell you that this is priceless and he wants it!

mary rosenblum

come prepared to tell him why it will sell, who will read it, and why the market is ready for it...

realityczech

Do you have an example of a "good synopsis" on the website somewhere?

mary rosenblum

I've got a couple, including a synopsis for a novel that Irene Radford sold. It's for a series book, but it gives the idea.

gail

What about those stories that seem to defy current markets? Dig further? Or, reserve the story until a market presents itself?

mary rosenblum

I would try them, Gail.

mary rosenblum

Editors ARE looking for the Next Big THIng all the time.

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And it's a subjective search.

mary rosenblum

You will probably get a LOT of rejections, but remember, you only have to sell ONE edtior on it...

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and we are all VERY different in what we think is excellent. There is NO standard.

mary rosenblum

So in this case, you have a book that will be hard to sell, but if you persevere you will probably sell it eventually.

lbaggins

I'm having trouble locating your Submissions 101 on LRWG

mary rosenblum

I'm sorry, laura. I need to update the index and will do so as soon as I'm done here.

mary rosenblum

I had to take that one down, because it contradicted the format prescribed by the LR course and it was confusing students.

mary rosenblum

I'll put up a slightly altered version later this week.

mary rosenblum

Format discrepancies aren't going to keep anyone from selling their book!

mary rosenblum

The main criteria is that the ms has to be easily readable and identifiable.

mary rosenblum

And by the way, I just posted an article by Jodie Ball on E-submissions in Writing Craft: Business of Writing

realityczech

Ahhh, so it wasn't just Gremlins this time!

mary rosenblum

Nope...just timing. I need to refresh the index!

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mary rosenblum

If you are writing Romance it is VERY important to analyze the imprints.

mary rosenblum

They are highly formulaic and you must fit within the confines of that formula in order to be considered.

mary rosenblum

It is VERY easy to straddle imprints.

mary rosenblum

If you have a romance in progress, read several of the various imprints that seem to fit your story.

mary rosenblum

The Harlequin/Sillhouette website offers some good general guidelines for each imprint, but I would read and analyze several books anyway.

mary rosenblum

Guidelines are too general to really tell you what you need to know, for the most part.

realityczech

I like your suggestion of a market analysis checklist. Do you have a full version of that on the LRWG site?

mary rosenblum

I don't. I should create one and post it. :-) I'll put that on my 'topic' list.

lbaggins

What Exactly is an Imprint?

mary rosenblum

Laura there are really only a very few major publishers...we're talking traditional publishers, not small press.

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Each of these BIG houses, like Random House or Penguin/Putnam...

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publishes a lot of books of different sort.

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Dell publishes YA in the Yearling series.

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Random House publishes SF as Del Rey.

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Penguin/Putnam publishes one mystery series as Berkeley Prime Crime...

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and has others.

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You will deal with the editors who are employed to edit that imprint...

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usually there is more than one.

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But the books within that imprint will be sort of similar...

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while 'Random House' books will vary from text books to nonfiction to fiction...

mary rosenblum

Random House has dozens and dozens of imprints.

mary rosenblum

So there is no point in talking about what Random House wants!

mary rosenblum

That is why you don't send your ms to Random House.

mary rosenblum

YOu send it to the editor at whichever imprint your book fits...

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and yes, the contact info is listed in the writers guides.

twhorn

There is a web site that is offering a program that provides wizards to format MS for word. cost about 85.. formating wizrds, would this be a worth while investment?

mary rosenblum

Goodness no!

mary rosenblum

Why pay 85 for something that will do a job that should take you ONE TIME a handful of minutes?

mary rosenblum

Now if it is a screenplay program that is different. Screenplays are formatted very specifically and it is a pain to set up the tabs, bullets, etc...

mary rosenblum

so there, a formatting wizard is worth the money if you plan to do screenplays a lot.

mary rosenblum

But even if you have to fumble around with your help screen a lot, you only have to format the ms once!

mary rosenblum

Then you same that format as 'ms template'

mary rosenblum

Next time you start a story, call up the template and save it to a new name. Your formatting is all in place.

mary rosenblum

I have a SF story template, a mystery story template, a general ms template, a chapter template a title page template...

mary rosenblum

never mind the various letter templates!

lbaggins

Do you reccommend any writing software, such as Storyboard?

mary rosenblum

I don't. I have a scene template on the website that Bravo created, if you want to set up a storyboard type page.

mary rosenblum

I make my living writing words. I don't have a lot of disposable income, and I don't spend it on tools I don't really need.

mary rosenblum

A roll of white freezer paper makes a great 'storyline'...I can pin it up on my walls and scrawl all over it in magic marker if I want!

twhorn

Are the template you mentioned available from the LR website to download?

mary rosenblum

Yes, it is.

mary rosenblum

It involves some set up but the instructions are there, and once you have set it up, save it as a template.

mary rosenblum

storyboard for chapters

mary rosenblum

That's the link to the storyboard template.

mary rosenblum

He uses it for chapter, but you could use it for scenes in a story, just as well.

tally

/ask...can't we just make our own on word?

mary rosenblum

That's what I do, tally.

mary rosenblum

But mine are much simpler than his, and generally, I do a lot of it on paper with a pencil as thoughts come to me during other activities.

curseofthe44

I read that when formatting a MS for Word, you need to turn off all of the paragraph line and page breaks, pagination stuff. This is so the word count is accurate for editors. This does make the pages equal at the bottom. I did a count and it was more accurate. But I have never seen this explained except in a couple of places. What is your opinion?

mary rosenblum

Don't worry about the word count, curse. Either the editor will accept yours or she will have her own formula for figuring it.

mary rosenblum

If you get MORE words doing it that way, then do it if you're getting paid by the word.

mary rosenblum

But don't feel you HAVE to do it. You don'tl.

mary rosenblum

Editors are not dumb. If you send in a story to a mag that has a 7000 word limit and your story is 50 pages long, double spaced...

mary rosenblum

the editor isn't gonna believe your 7000 words for a second!

curseofthe44

So I should leave the pagination alone?

mary rosenblum

Unless you're submitting online. You might read Jodie Ball's tips for that.

lbaggins

There is a mysterious difference between Writing on paper

lbaggins

Writing by typing; do you have any idea what this could be?

mary rosenblum

Yes, there is, and for editing, too, and nobody really knows why.

mary rosenblum

With the advent of easy MRI technology, we'll probably find out that different areas of the brain are involved, but why? Who knows.

mary rosenblum

While I know many writers, myself included, who no longer create ms by hand, I don't know any who don't edit at least one draft on the hardcopy page.

tally

/ask...are more editors asking for hard copy now?

mary rosenblum

Right now, most editors of print magazines still want a hardcopy submission, although nearly all will also want a disk if they buy the ms.

mary rosenblum

Some are taking submissions online, and of course, the Ezines all do.

mary rosenblum

Here's another rare absolute for you : ALWAYS read the submission guidelines.

mary rosenblum

Editors have NO patience with people who don't follow the guidelines and return or 'round file' offender.

lbaggins

I admit I'm afraid of Writing by typing, I still use pen

lbaggins

and paper. I do I overcome this?

mary rosenblum

You don't have to. Lots of writers do that. It was VERY hard for me to create on the screen at first...

mary rosenblum

just FELT wrong. But I was a single mom with two young kids and time was precious...

mary rosenblum

and it was a lot faster to create on screen and edit than to create on paper, transcribe, and edit.

mary rosenblum

Now, of course, I do it all the time, and to be honest, I find I do better first drafts on screen.

tally

/ask...should you have hard copy and paper available?

mary rosenblum

Depends on what the guidelines ask for, tally.

mary rosenblum

It IS a good idea to back up your work two ways:

mary rosenblum

On a floppy or CD AND on paper.

mary rosenblum

In the worst case scenario, where you find that your hard drive has crashed and your save media is corrupted, or lost, you STILL have that paper copy.

lbaggins

The typing isn't a problem, it's the actual process of

lbaggins

writing by typing for me.

mary rosenblum

It was for me, too, at first. I coudln't create on screen, but made myself do it becauese I HAD to.

mary rosenblum

IF you don't have to and you don't want to, don't.

mary rosenblum

Well, to sum up...

mary rosenblum

learn how to identify what your story or novel does.

mary rosenblum

Is it character driven? Is it plot driven?

mary rosenblum

Is there a lot of onstage sex or violence?

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Is there a romantic element?

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A fantasy element?

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A supernatural Element?

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Lots of action?

mary rosenblum

Not much action and lots of character interaction?

mary rosenblum

Then go looking for books that fit the same checklist and see who is publishing 'em.

speckledorf

Hey...what is the trade market for mystery genre?

mary rosenblum

There is a magazine that calls itself the 'trade journal'..I was thinking of subscribing to it. I can't remember the name, right now, speck. I'll check in my next MWA bulletin.

mary rosenblum

And by the way..

mary rosenblum

you can subscribe to the SFWA and MWA newsletters even if you don't qualify to join as a pro member.

mary rosenblum

You can become as 'associate member' without the full privileges, but if you write in that genre, it's worth the money.

realityczech

Do you have any last minute tips for how to avoid getting so caught up in the story you are analyzing that you forget to analyze it? LOL

mary rosenblum

That's a skill that is hard to learn and very good for you as a writer, reality.

mary rosenblum

Start by analyzing other books!

mary rosenblum

MUCH easier than analyzing your own!

mary rosenblum

Asyou get better at seeing what elements make up other books, you'll begin to see them in your own work.

mary rosenblum

It's a matter of perspective.

mary rosenblum

Just as a casual passer by looks at a bunch of dogs in the show ring and sees a bunch of dogs...

mary rosenblum

but the judge sees a weak loin here, turned out feet there, a really nice topline there, and a great head there...

mary rosenblum

you begin to see what makes up 'dog'. Or Story, as the case may be.

mary rosenblum

WEll, next time I talk to you it will be from Boston!

mary rosenblum

I should get some good speakers for next year. I want some agents!

mary rosenblum

And a couple of New York editors!

mary rosenblum

I'll see who I can pin down.

tally

/ask...have a great trip mary..thanks for today

mary rosenblum

Thanks tally. And thanks for coming all! Off to pack!!!

 

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