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Flash Fiction 11/9/07


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Mary Rosenblum

Hello all.

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I hope you have a very nice week. I missed you all, last Sunday at our open chat, but I was somewhere high up in the sky about then. :-)

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On my way back from the World Fantasy Conference in Saratoga Springs, NY.

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I wanted to talk about Flash Fiction tonight for a couple of reasons.

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Not on is the Flash Fiction market alive, well and growing, it is a very nice home for those short short early LR assignments.

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Essentially, Flash Fiction includes work of 1000 words or less.

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Some markets cap the limit at even fewer words.

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Some markets do pay, many do not, but it's a very nice exercise for anyone.

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Writing short requires you to write very tight prose...extra words, convoluted and flabby prose, overwriting, all run you out of words before you can do much.

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Just figuring out how to do more with less will improve your prose overall.

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Strong writing is the maximum reader impact in the minimum number of words.

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Some of the markets, such as Flashquake, offer comments if they reject you.

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If you have any interest in the flash fiction market or flash fiction in general

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I suggest you read Pam Casto's article on the LR Website in Writing Craft: New Market Updates. She puts out a sporadic newsletter including reviews of flash fiction

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markets as well as new markets, both paying and nonpaying.

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And many of the flash fiction markets, such as Flashquake, are quite well respected.

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They make nice clips.

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The flash fiction market is a great place for vignettes.

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Your actual words on the page may imply a much larger story arc and an ending that will take place in the future.

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If you've been reading the submissions to the prompts in the LR newsletter, you'll have noticed that many of those little 250 word pieces are actual stories

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with a conflict, a resolution, a beginning, middle, end, and even character change.

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And most imply such a story arc, even if it's not all included in the prose.

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One of the benefits to you as a fiction writer is that the better you get at implying story or character, the less you have to spell it out on the page.

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Thus you end up with more story in fewer words in effect.

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One of the ways in which you can imply that larger story arc is simply to begin a short short piece quite close to or even at the climax of the story arc.

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It will be very difficult (although not impossible) to include that entire arc within the 1000 words or less.

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But you can imply the start of the story arc through backstory revealed in dialogue or internal narrative, place the readers in the climax, and imply the end, again through the action/dialogue/internal narrative of the climax without actually placing the readers there.

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The short short form requires that you reveal character in very few words.

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You certainly don't have enough words to tell the readers all about your character's past...a very common weakness in a lot of novice fiction.

quixote

wouldn't it be better technique to have a good flash ending and imply the beginning?

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Could be. Depends on how you set it up. Anything is possible.

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Generally, your climax involves the dramatic high point of the plot arc and often events will suggest a cascade of subsequent events to the readers...

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BUT....it also leaves some wiggle room for readers to ponder possible alternative outcomes.

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If you actually place the readers in the end and imply the initial conflict and the climax, you may not be able to achieve quite the dramatic tension.

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Try it both ways and see which way works better for you.

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Readers seem to be a bit more tolerant of a 'lady or tiger' end in a flash fiction piece.

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That might be because they have much less invested in such a short story, so knowing the outcome for certain isn't so imperative.

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And you really do NOT have to do a complete story.

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Vignettes..a slice of life....work fine for flash fiction.

chatty lady

What do you think of books leaving the ending to the reader?

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I find them highly annoying and so do most readers.

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I always feel that the author has a: Not done his or her job and b: is copying the famous 'lady and tiger' story.

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That ending will not impress editors most of the time. FYI.

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BUT...that said...you can do it more subtly and get away with it just fine. :-)

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You can imply one ending, but leave it less than certain.

destiny8

Sorry. . ."lady and tiger"?

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The ending is left to the readers. A man has two doors to open, one with a tiger behind it, one with a beautiful woman, and his former lover, the Queen, has told him secretly to open one door.

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The reader has to decide if she told him to open the door with her rival behind it, or the door with the tiger.

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You can read it online:

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http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/LadyTige.shtml

johnw

So what's the best way to get going w/ ff? Write a "vignette" several different ways?

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Or just start with a question. The girl is taking a shortcut through the park. What happens?

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Use something you see as you go through your day.

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That gloomy looking man is weeding the flower planters on the bus mall. Why?

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This is actually an exercise I use in writing workshops and will probably use when I teach the Clarion West Workshop this summer. :-)

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Observe a bit of behavior and write a short short piece to reveal the reasons for it.

johnw

He's gloomy because he's out on Huber and has to go back "home" when he's done--on the Sheriff's bus

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That's a good one. :-)

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Or he's the retired head gardener of the Queen who has ended up in another country on skid road.

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Or he sees fairies dance there at night and likes to keep the planters neat for them.

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Each of these small revelations of 'why' will make a flash fiction story.

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Here, it's not the resolution of a conflict that will power the piece, it's simply the revelation of the 'why' behind that behavior

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that will engage the readers' interest. That's 'vignette'. Slice of life.

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Maybe he lost the love of his life who's flower bed he carefully tended to with love and lost the home after her death.

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Another good one.

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Flash fiction lends itself very well to 'picture challenges'. Look at a picture and decide what is going on.

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I play this game every time I get stuck on a long bus ride across town.

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Come up with a quick story behind some behavior. If it's a really long bus ride, I may do six or seven stories in my head.

johnw

Ahhh -- people watching

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The essence of characterization. :-)

quixote

a surprise - unexpected turn: wouldn't that be most effective?

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It can be. It doesn't have to be.

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It can be an implied conflict/resolution. It can be an unexpected twist, or it can simply be a revelation of the reasons behind the behavior.

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The fun part of flash fiction is that it just doesn't take long. You can whip off a rough draft with an hour to kill.

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Then polish them. Spend some time to pare away as many unneeded words as you can, replacing some with stronger, more vivid words, leaving others out

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because they're just not necessary.

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You'll rapidly get better and better at doing more with less and that will carry over to your other writing.

janecj333

The hardest part of flash fiction for me, and also in longer fiction, is the last sentence, the last few sentences, getting them to ring with some kind of truth that most everyone can relate to but not appear maudlin.

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Ends are always hard. As are beginnings.

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Sometimes the action that implies an ending works very well.

chatty lady

Ever tried the exercise, write something then go back

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crossing out every second word?

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That's pretty mechanical, Chatty. A more effective exercise is to reduce it by, say, half instead.

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You choose which words to take out, but you have to take out half.

writeaway

Postcard fiction is fun, too. Usually 50 words or less.

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Yeah, you find all forms of it. :-)

johnw

Where/when did this ff genre get its start or has it always been around?

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Oh, I think it has always been around, but it didn't really take a 'center stage' before the internet. Before that, short shorts like that ended up as 'filler' in magazines with longer work or in anthologies.

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But now we seem to be in a trend where people without a lot of reading time like these 'small bite' pieces.

quixote

more recently - mobile phones?

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Probably. :-)

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It's worth playing with. Make it a weekly writing exercise.

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If you do a bus commute or end up sitting in a waiting room, spend your waiting time coming up with a flash fiction piece using something you have noticed.

charie'

Is there a category of fiction for picture captions - lightning flash fiction, perhaps?

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I don't know that it's a category, but you can probably find a website somewhere where people post something like that. :-)

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I suspect all forms you can think of, down to license plates, exist.

chatty lady

Check out flash fiction: submissions@vestalreview.net

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Thanks, Chatty. I just took a quick peek at that webzine.

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It's another flash fiction ezine like Flashquake.

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http://vestalreview.net/

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I have heard of Vestal Review before and they pay 10 cents a words.

johnw

You have written 60 short stories. Did any of them start out as ff and then you went back and ADDED or expanded the original vignette?

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No, John. I tend to be a long writer and flash fiction was a wonderful exercise for me because of it. But I have expanded several of my short stories into novels. :-)

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All my flash fiction pieces have implied larger stories, but so far, I haven't followed up on any of them, as I recall.

janecj333

I remember you being critical of novels that start with three battle scenes that wear out the reader, and I wonder how flash fiction measures up with just its one scene.

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Well, the nice thing about flash is that you aren't going to wear the reader out with anything in 1000 words or less.

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The challenge in Flash is to see how much complexity you can layer into that 1000 words.

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In a flash fiction workshop I taught up in Seattle last year, one of the participants ended up with a very elegant little SF story of 1000 words.

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I actually counted his words because I couldn't believe that it was that short. :-)

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It was actually a very large idea, but the flash story gave the readers a keyhole view of that larger idea.

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I recommend you read the flash ezines -- Vestal Review or Flashquake http://www.flashquake.org/index.html

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You'll read a wide range of flash fiction. Then give it a try.

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I'ts a great way to get over 'telling' the reader things.

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It is also a great way to begin to understand the core of 'story'.

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If you think of a story arc, what is the smallest bit that you can include and still imply the story.

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That's the core.

janecj333

Small ideas on a small scale, but big with implications are amazing to read when done well.

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Absolutely. :-)

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Writing short fiction well is very difficult.

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Writing short short fiction well is even more difficult.

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Not every piece you read is outstanding, but the ones where everything simply works are pretty impressive.

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For those of you who came in late, Pam Casto has an article on flash fiction with quite a few useful links

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on the LR Website in Writing Craft New Market Listings: http://www.longridgewritersgroup.com/rx/wc08/pam_casto.shtml

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So next time you're waiting in line, on the bus, at the airport, or strolling around at the mall or downtown, pay attention

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to what is going on around you and ask yourself 'why is that happening'?

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I used to meet a couple of writer friends for lunch at outdoor places in the summer and we did flash fiction stories on the fly, coming up with stories about people strolling by.

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It was loads of fun and a great exercise.

johnw

I will be looking for that gloomy gardener

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Interesting characters are all over the place. You simply have to look. :-) And then imagine their stories.

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Well, have a great weekend, all!

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Do join us on Sunday for our casual chat.

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Same time as this Forum, but we just hang out and talk about whatever.

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I'll post the transcripts in the usual place:

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Writing Craft: Forum Transcripts.

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See you Sunday!

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And I'll be starting a new prompt in the LR newsletter this week! Stay tuned.

 

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