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Making Writing Time Work 5/1/07


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Mary Rosenblum

Good morning all.

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I hope you had a very fine weekend.

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I thought we'd talk about working time today. One of the things that emerged during my chat

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with Chynna Laird, my freelance writer guest last week, was just how full her life is...yet she is still managing to write every day.

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'I don't have time' is a real part of writing life.

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Life does tend to expand to fill that 24 hour day.

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Much of that life is really important -- your kids, your spouse, the day job that pays the rent.

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Some of it is more of an 'elective' -- TV, lunch out with coworkers, computer games.

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Writing seems like an easy life, from the outside. Write a couple of stories or articles a year, get published, and woohoo.

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But in reality, becoming a pro is a LOT of work, and nearly all pros do it, at least for the first few years, alongside a day job.

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Much of what writing is all about is ...big surprise...WRITING.

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Sending work out, getting acceptances, editing accepted work, researching...that's part of it, too.

sandyhoja

What if your day job takes almost all your time?

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It usually does.

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So you have to look realistically at the things that fill your day and ask yourself, 'okay, what can I eliminate to make a hole for my writing'.

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You might realize that you are spending two hours in front of the TV at night.

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You might decide to set the alarm a half hour earlier, grab a cup of coffee and sit down for that half hour

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before you begin your regular morning routines.

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You might decide to go to bed a half hour or hour later, or bag your lunch and spend your lunch break at the day job working on your writing.

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The reality is, writing is going to mean cutting something else out of your life. If you're going to be a pro.

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That really is the dividing line between those who go on to be pros and those who don't.

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The people who want to be a pro gave up things that didn't matter as much -- going out with friends a lot, watching TV, playing games on the computer, sleeping late on weekends.

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You have a ton of folk who write occasionally, or work on that novel once or twice a month.

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There's nothing wrong with that.

geezer

My problem is the more I learn "about" writing, the slower I get at it. Some writers set a goal of 1000 words a day. I'm doing good for a fraction of that.

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Goals like that are deadly, in my opinion.

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What good is 1000 words of dreck? I'd rather write ten good words.

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I just sweated over about one page of scene this morning. That's about 250 words.

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That's all I'm going to actually write today, most likely. I have students to do and some outside chores.

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But those 250 words sorted out a tough scene that was giving me trouble. That's a good day's work!

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The day before, I did about 2000 words in the same period of time.

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Everything was working.

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it's not how much you do in a day. It's that you DO something.

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Even doodling notes about how to plot out a particular story is writing.

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Words on the screen or page are only one facet of working.

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You can do a lot of work while you're doing other things. Most of my writing goes on in my head and I'm doing something else with my hands.

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Traffic jams are great places to plot. :-)

sandyhoja

Oh thank you, that really helped.

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I think there's a lot of misconception about what 'writing' is.

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Numbers of pages or numbers of words are handy yardsticks but they're misleading.

unicorn

I set a time frame for writing, plug in my water fountain, shut off the phone and write for that hour or two.

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That's an excellent way to do it, unicorn.

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Especially shutting off the phone! LOL.

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Headphones and music make a nice office.

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When I was first breaking in, I was a single mom with two young kids.

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My 'office' is an alcove off the main living area in our small house. So I was in the middle of life, where I could keep an eye on my kids. I used headphones and music to create my 'virtual office'

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and was still accessible to my kids.

sss1208

do you use a tape reocrder to record your thoughts while in a traffic jam, what i write in my head goes in one ear and out the other by the time i get to my computer

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I do, sss.

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Like, you, good ideas just evaporate as soon as I get distracted.

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I either have a small tape recorder with me or a pad and pen (not in the car!).

unicorn

I used to set word goals but found it frustrating. You are always checking your word count and then panic if you don't reach them in the allot time.

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I started out with word goals, unicorn, and like you, found them frustrating.

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It takes some time and practice to realize that you are indeed 'working' even when you can't say 'I did my thousand words today'.

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But you're less likely to drive yourself into a case of writers block driven by a sense of 'I'm failing to meet my goals, I should just quit'.

fiction_scribe

Have you ever tried NaNoWriMo?

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No. I don't need the time pressure to turn out a novel. :-) I do that quite frequently. But it's a good venture for novice writers

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who really aren't sure they CAN write a complete novel.

builder guy

finding time to write and running my jobs were giving me problems. Now if my client is someone of intrest I interview him or her about their field. It's a great networking tool especially if they think you really do give a crap about their life.

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What a great idea, builder! Now that's an excellent way of combining your day job with writing.

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Hmmmm....think about a collection of personal essays about interesting people you've built things for.

sandyhoja

How do you work through a no brain activity period?

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I'll do something, sandy. If nothing else, I'll simply write a rich, descriptive scene, or a really dynamic telephone conversation...some kind of writing exercise.

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But I've found that if I have three projects going at once -- sometimes more -- one of them is usually beckoning to me. :-)

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So if I'm stale or blocked on project A, I'm fresh for project B.

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Right now I have...let's see... three novel projects (although one is just in the plotting stage) and two short stories in progress.

unicorn

Journal writing gets me motivated and through the "no brain activity".

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That's a good way to keep going. Any writing is goo.

gonnabe

Do you recommend having several different writing "projects"

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I do, gonnabe.

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I bog down in any project eventually, where it starts to feel 'dull'. It generally isn't dull, I've just been living in this world so intensely that I've lost the 'big picture'.

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But if I work on something else, pretty soon I'm dying to get back at it. I'm always lusting after something I'm not working on right now. :-) That's a nice feeling.

sss1208

i was in a restaurant waiting for my order, when my pen gave out,while i was scribing a story. no back up pen and no order

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Ah, that's frustrating, sss1208. Been there a couple of times! I try to always have three pens with me. LOL

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I'm not kidding !

sharons

I keep a notebook on my bedstand for those late night ideas

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Me, too, sharons. :-) Sometimes those midnight scribbles are hard to read in the AM, but sometimes a scene wakes me up and I sit up and work for an hour or more.

unicorn

I have participate in NANO. It requires discipline and the ability to turn off your "muse" to get the 50,000 words.

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It does and it's good for that -- for giving you the confidence that you can DO it, that you don't have to wait for the muse to hand you words.

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And that's part of writing professionally. You cannot wait for the muse to be in the mood.

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You write with her or without her. :-)

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And you know what? Some of my stories that I DRAGGED myself through, feeling that every word was wooden and the whole project was total waste of everyone's time...

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have turned out to be very popular and very well received. So don't assume your feelings at the time are accurate.

gonnabe

Forgive me, NANO?

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National Novel Writing Month, gonna.

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People register and the object is to write a 50,000 word novel draft between November 1 and November 30.

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It's a very fun writing exercise.

sandyhoja

My work writing interferes with my own writing. Any tips?

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That's hard, sandy. To be honest, it's why I don't work as a tech writer or a copy writer.

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But I know people who do and still write. The challenge there is to 'switch gears' and make it fresh when you do your own writing.

owlybear_

Hi Mary.. Long time no see. I'm still writing my column, but

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I still haven't submitted to magazines. It is however nice

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to have my readers make comments on my column. They seem to

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look forwatrd to reading my articles, which is nice for me.

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I bet, and you're a good writer, Owly, and you write a really good column! Nice to see you, been a while!

gail

Do you write (primarily) to a specific market, or do you write what inspires you and then seek an appropriate market?

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I do both, gail. :-) Don't forget, I pay my rent with this stuff.

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For example, I just got an invite into an anthology. Deadline is August.

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It's a 'theme' anthology, so I have to come up with a story that suits the them.

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For NF I write entirely to the market. For me NF is a day job. :-)

builder guy

When I am writing and I am in the "zone" my creativity is flowing big time. I start to think about doing tile muirals, learning a new instrument and it's distracting. has this happend with anyone else?

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LOL, builder!

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This is called 'displacement'.

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I'll be in the scene and then I start thinking maybe I could update my website, put in a cool new page, feature one of my 'backlist' of published stories...

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You just have to kind of focus is all.

sss1208

NANO is it for just exercise, or to get you to write and publish 50000 word novel.

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It's whatever you want to make of it, sss.

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You can quit at the end with the satisfaction of having done a novel draft, or you can go on to revise and polish that novel and send it out to the marketplace.

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What you'll find is that if you rearrange your life a bit so that you can now fit in a half hour or hour of writing time every day...

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it will become a habit. You'll find it easier to do it, to say 'no' to distractions, you'll find fewer and fewer distractions.

gail

I have difficulty finding appropriate markets for most of the fiction I'm inspired to write. Am I reading the markets wrong, or do I need to bend my stories to fit the markets?

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The fiction market simply isn't HUGE gail, and you may be reading the market lists incorrectly.

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The writers guidelines are all pretty general.

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The best way to get a sense of what an editor wants is to read the mag.

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But it is VERY hard to write good fiction unless your heart is in it, as a novice.

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You really do need to write the story you want to read and then look for a market for it.

fiction_scribe

what do you do when you get stuck because you need a research answer and can't find it

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I usually put in a placeholder : [insert cultural details here]

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Then I move on. I do about half of my research as I write the novel, usually.

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I'll start off with a foundation so that I can get going, then I answer questions as they arise, or leave them until later

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if they don't affect the plot line.

unicorn

sss1208 if you go to www.nanowrimo.org it will give you the details.

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Thanks for the URL, unicorn.

fiction_scribe

and if they do?

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If the research detail will determine where I go with my plot, then I have to go find the answer, scribe.

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If the detail is obscure, if I realize it's gonig to take me a year to find it if ever, I'll redo my plot

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so that it is no longer critical.

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I often have to do that when research reveals that I can't do what I had planned, durn it.

gail

I live in no-man's-land, where most of the magazines which interest me are unheard of, and will not be special ordered for me. They don't appear in libraries, nor garage sales, nor flea markets. Any ideas for me? :-)

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Take a running leap of faith, gail. Send it out as long as the guidelines don't disallow it (no fantasy, for example). The worst you'll get is a form rejection and if you're WAY off

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the editor will probably tell you eventually.

geezer

What do you think of a market that requires a reader fee upon submission?

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I think it's probably making money for the publisher that way, geeze.

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Now some very popular mainstream mags do this because they are SWAMPED with submissions and

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many of them are wholly unsuitable. They are trying to discourage the real amateurs who simply send work to every market in the writers market lists.

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Check the magazine with preditors and editors. If it's a scam, you'll know.

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http://www.anotherealm.com/prededitors/

gail

:-) Thanks! I'm gearing up for that leap! :-)

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hey, remember that you need to earn 100 reject slips. This will help you get there, Gail. :-)

andi

I was looking up the sf/f they wanted first NA rights serial rights and option on anthology would i be able to send it out again later?

Mary Rosenblum

Those are the rights I sell to Asimov's and Analog, andi. I often resell my stories to three or four anthologies as well as the magazine.

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You can resell as soon as you have fulfilled your NA rights obligation -- usually that's six months after the issue with your story appears.

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The contract will be specific about the time lapse. Sometimes it's right away.

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My recent Analog story Search Engine has resold to four anthologies so far.

sss1208

I live in an area visited by snowbirds in the winter, they give mags to the libraries slush piles. you can pick them up for 25cents or free. I saved + on one that i wanted to write for. still waiting for another sample mag to come in.

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Good job, sss! And read as many issues as you can find. One issue gives you an idea, but it might not be 'typical' of what the editor normally runs.

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The more issues you can manage to read the better.

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The main thing with your work time is...make it happen.

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Say no to that invitation to go do something.

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Get up a bit earlier. Stay up a bit later.

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Spend your lunch break at the lap top or with that pad and pen.

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Keep a notebook with you (and that extra pen!) so you can write down ideas, bits of dialogue, plots...

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Carry a tape recorder if you spend a lot of time driving or sitting in nasty rush hour traffic.

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(Hey, if you live in the Bay area you can write a novel while they're repairing the overpass!)

fiction_scribe

has anyone tried eBay for copies of mags?

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Oooh, good idea, scribe.

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Or put a want ad up on Craig's List.

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I know I'd give back issues away for postage if someone wanted 'em.

gonnabe

HOW ABOUT JOINING A LOCAL WRITERS GROUP?

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That can be a very good thing if it inspires you to write more.

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A lot of time the positive feedback you get from a group really helps you shoehorn that writing time into your life.

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Writing is kind a vacuum most of the time. You work your butt off and don't get a lot of immediate positive feedback (like none!).

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You're writing with the belief that sooner or later people will get to read this and love it.

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A writers group can provide that positive feedback.

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But if all your writing time is taken up critiquing others manuscripts and you're not writing, then the value is questionable.

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I know some people who get together at a local cafe, bring their laptops and write together for two hours once a week.

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That's a guaranteed two hour work block and you have the motivation to get there because your friends will be there.

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Hey, if you work in a large company, put up a notice on a couple of bulletin boards. See if you can't find other quiet writers who might

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want to share a lunch hour writing time.

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But you have to write mostly, not talk mostly. :-)

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So see where you can shoehorn that writing time into your life. You really CAN live with that TV show or limit that game time.

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Make it a habit and it'll get hard to break.

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Do join us Wednesday for our casual chat.

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We just get together here to talk about whatever.

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Meanwhile have a good week. I'll post the transcript in the usual place; Writing Craft: Forum Transcript.

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Have a good week, all!

 

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